What's next, cattleprods? - Page 2

**Mick** · 04-05-2004, 17:11

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Originally Posted by towny

This is true, but these are all disciplines that the school would perform. You seemed to be suggesting that schools should have no disciplinary powers at all.

They hardly have any now, which is why IMO and together with some poor parenting that we have this 'yob' culture that roams the streets with little regard for anyone or their property.

In this case where a piece of tape was applied to a boy of 11's mouth who has special needs, personally I do not think the teacher should of done it. But its all too often, like in this case, the parents go into over sensitive mode and their child can do no wrong or their child is a sweet little angel.

kronas · 04-05-2004, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Pem

Nice to see his Mother was so concerned about the punishment rather than the actual cause (his mis-behaviour).

well he was only talking, so the report says so its not a big issue really, it seems the teacher over reacted if the child was merely talking, i agree that parents need to be held responsible for thier childs behavior, because the way your attitude is moulded outside the classroom is affective when your in the classroom, you adhere to discipline from parents you are most likely going to do the same in the classroom.

**Damien** · 04-05-2004, 17:21

What Intreats me about this is the use of these words 'special needs'?

It is used to make it seem worse but I dont understand what WERE his special needs. People who have that should not be treated as a different case. They should be treated equally but that should also go the other way as well.

In other words if someone has problems with handwriting then that should be helped but they shouldn't be immune to the same punishments as people who dont have special needs. Again it depends what the needs are but if its something that is unrelated to the punishment then whats the 'well he did have special needs' fuss about?

Russ · 04-05-2004, 17:22

Perhaps his 'special needs' situation was that he was hyperactive? He should not be treated differently unless what he did was directly related to his 'condition'.

kronas · 04-05-2004, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Perhaps his 'special needs' situation was that he was hyperactive? He should not be treated differently unless what he did was directly related to his 'condition'.

thats the thing we dont know if it is, if its behavioural related then some leeway has to be given for the child.

**Damien** · 04-05-2004, 17:28

Yes if it was a behavior problem. but not something small such as writing or reading.

I think it was wrong either way but only because of his age and the teachers position but i dont think it should have gone to court. Neither do i think the needs come into it

deadite66 · 04-05-2004, 17:29

all these bad kids should be put in their own school where they can merrily beat the seven shades out of each other and leave the kids who want to learn to study in peace.

kronas · 04-05-2004, 17:30

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Originally Posted by deadite66

all these bad kids should be put in their own school where they can merrily beat the seven shades out of each other and leave the kids who want to learn to study in peace.

yep i agree with that

Russ · 04-05-2004, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it was wrong either way but only because of his age and the teachers position but i dont think it should have gone to court. Neither do i think the needs come into it

So what if, say, he had Tourette's Syndrome and he was making nervous tics in class? That could be seen as disruptive. Should he punished for that?

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Originally Posted by deadite66

all these bad kids should be put in their own school where they can merrily beat the seven shades out of each other and leave the kids who want to learn to study in peace.

I don't think the parents of 'all these bad kids' would be happy at the idea of their children not being given full opportunities to learn.

kronas · 04-05-2004, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I don't think the parents of 'all these bad kids' would be happy at the idea of their children not being given full opportunities to learn.

as parents dont seem to care or have the time to learn about what there child is doing........i dont think that chould be taken in to consideration, you have to admit that to children who want to learn should be given a fairer opportunity then being stuck in a class with a number of disruptive pupils ?

deadite66 · 04-05-2004, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I don't think the parents of 'all these bad kids' would be happy at the idea of their children not being given full opportunities to learn.

then these parents should instill proper discipline.

xaq141175 · 04-05-2004, 17:45

Don't get confused between anti-social behaviour and special needs. If the child is behaving in a way due to some brain dysfunction, fine. But if the child is acting up because of it's background then no amount of 'special attention' will be affective.

secondly, slaveing a schools limited resources to the special needs children would lower the educational process for the rest of the children. Not wise.

Special needs should be seperated from the rest of the school in a special unit ... which should be at a particualar school. Unless you want to end up paying 70% tax of coarse.

**Mick** · 04-05-2004, 17:46

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Originally Posted by deadite66

all these bad kids should be put in their own school where they can merrily beat the seven shades out of each other and leave the kids who want to learn to study in peace.

That is not dealing with the problem head on, infact that would not help at all, because society cannot afford to have bad behaved children in such a school for just bad behaviour, I know I would not send my child to such a school with set low standards.

kronas · 04-05-2004, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Mick

That is not dealing with the problem head on, infact that would not help at all, because society cannot afford to have bad behaved children in such a school for just bad behaviour, I know I would not send my child to such a school with set low standards.

it would be some sort of correctional facility though would you accept that ?

normal education but having more support there ?

**Paul** · 04-05-2004, 17:54

"Special Needs" is pretty wide ranging term these days - it can (and is) applied to absolutely anything out of the ordinary- it does not (as many seem to believe) mean they are mentally/physically disabled or badly behaved etc etc ....

My daughter is classed as special needs - but if you saw her at school you would never guess why as she would seem exactly the same as every other kid.

(she is diabetic).