Movie factory 3. Lip Sync out

[Mike]

Erol / Paul †¦..hi there agin !!!!

Just thought I would update you bothââ‚ ¬Ã‚¦Ã¢â ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ ’¢â‚¬Ãâ €šÃ‚¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â₠¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã ¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ ¦..this is how it went yesterday.

Borrowed a camera and recorded upload from the VHS tape which was all okââ‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦..  Loaded it into my PC and created four files (during which some frames were dropped about 14 frames on 75 minutes of video.

Used Movie Factory 3 to burn these avi to DVD about 4.89 GB (had to mark in and out a couple of clips to get it to fit).

Took about 6 hours to burn and ALL OK APART From  the audio was about half a second behind the video. Used all the default setting so I am not sure if I missed something.

Any ideas please.

As always kind regards

Mike

[andygrif]

If you're dropping frames then it sounds like your hard disk is having trouble keeping up. Do you know what speed hard disk you're using? Is it the only thing on the IDE cable? Are you using your standard C drive (i.e. the one with your operating system on it)?

You could try a couple of things:

Defrag your hard disk. Always the first place to start

Close any programs or services that you don't need whilst ingesting the video.

If you want to spend some cash, buy a separate hard disk for video only. You can pick up a 40gb 7,200 rpm HDD for less than 60 quid, or if you're feeling flush, I bought a 160gb 7,200 disk for only 80 quid at Savastore.

More memory will also help, depending on the software you're using (i'm not familar with the one you have). Some software buffers the video before comitting it to hard disk, so the more you have the better it will be.

If all else fails...buy a Mac! Or at least a new PC!

Let me know some specifics, HTH

[Mike]

Originally Posted by andygrif

If you're dropping frames then it sounds like your hard disk is having trouble keeping up. Do you know what speed hard disk you're using? Is it the only thing on the IDE cable? Are you using your standard C drive (i.e. the one with your operating system on it)?

You could try a couple of things:

Defrag your hard disk. Always the first place to start

Close any programs or services that you don't need whilst ingesting the video.

If you want to spend some cash, buy a separate hard disk for video only. You can pick up a 40gb 7,200 rpm HDD for less than 60 quid, or if you're feeling flush, I bought a 160gb 7,200 disk for only 80 quid at Savastore.

More memory will also help, depending on the software you're using (i'm not familar with the one you have). Some software buffers the video before comitting it to hard disk, so the more you have the better it will be.

If all else fails...buy a Mac! Or at least a new PC!

Let me know some specifics, HTH

I will checked when I get home.............anyone else have any comments .

thanks

[bob_a_builder]

I've used MF3, not that much, but not noticed any dropped frames or lip sync issues ( might not be lookig hard enough)
As per other suggestions,
I record to a seperate disk 80gb 7200 ( only 2mb cache) £40 HERE
on a amd 2400+, 512mb ram
Check drive is running in UDMA mode ?

[erol]

Is the audio synch out on the files once transfered to DV or from DV cam to PC (and before writing out to DVD)? or does it 'manifest' after the writing to DVD process?

Audio synching is always a bit of a problem.

The higher end capture cards tend to have their own dedicated sound capture stuff on the boards (rather than using the PC's standard one) for this very reason.

What are your PC specs btw?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by erol

Is the audio synch out on the files once transfered to DV or from DV cam to PC (and before writing out to DVD)? or does it 'manifest' after the writing to DVD process?

Audio synching is always a bit of a problem.

The higher end capture cards tend to have their own dedicated sound capture stuff on the boards (rather than using the PC's standard one) for this very reason.

What are your PC specs btw?

Erol

The clips transferred to the PC (avi s) play ok on the PC. It's after burning to DVD via movie factory 3 the DVD has the problem.

PC at home so can not confirm spec (sorry)

Regards

Mike

Originally Posted by andygrif

If all else fails...buy a Mac! Or at least a new PC!

Mike, I am a Mac user myself so I can't advise you on the specifics of Movie Factory 3. However the general principles are the same: dropped frames on import and out-of-sync audio on export are both common symptoms of a computer that is struggling to keep up with what you're asking of it. You need to look seriously at improving your hardware if you want to make a hobby of this.

In all seriousness, there comes a point where it's better to buy all-new equipment than to patch up what you've got. I'd be more concerned about your PC's consumption of system resources during import/export than the spin speed of your HDD. How much RAM do you have? How fast is your CPU? Video editing is a very resource-hungry hobby for a computer. You can add RAM but getting a new CPU is a tad more fiddly.

If you need to buy new, you could do far worse than to buy yourself a Mac if home moviemaking (whether for output to tape or DVD) is something you want to do. All iMacs and eMacs come with the iLife software suite installed, which includes iMovie for video editing and iDVD for creating DVDs complete with professional-looking menus. Macs are perfectly capable of doing any of the other tasks you are used to doing with a PC (web, email, word processing, etcetc). You will only miss out if you get off on opening up your PC to add bits of hardware, finding and installing obscure freeware apps, or playing lots of games. And if you want to do all that, you still have a PC anyway.

I'm not seriously expecting you to just say 'oh, ok towny, I'm off down the Apple Store to spend all my money then.' But if you have the funds for a new computer just now, and if you want to get into home moviemaking (a very rewarding hobby, I can tell you, having recently completed my first wedding video), then a Mac is by far the best choice IMO.

Originally Posted by Mike

Erol

The clips transferred to the PC (avi s) play ok on the PC. It's after burning to DVD via movie factory 3 the DVD has the problem.

PC at home so can not confirm spec (sorry)

Regards

Mike

I`m guessing that when you say you have burnt them to DVD that you have converted the files to MPEG2. I had a similar problem when making MPEG2 files for SVCDs using TMPGEnc. I found that dropping back to an earlier version of the software cured the problem, so it sounds to me like there is potentially something going out of whack during the encoding process that isn`t necessarily related to your hardware.

[erol]

Originally Posted by Mike

Erol

The clips transferred to the PC (avi s) play ok on the PC. It's after burning to DVD via movie factory 3 the DVD has the problem.

PC at home so can not confirm spec (sorry)

Regards

Mike

Sounds like a movie factory 3 issue to me.

have a look at these , they might help

http://www.marcpeters.co.uk/videoedi...oftware232.htm

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/63097 (this one seems to be more about synch probs when capturing rather than when writing which is your prob - but might be useful anyway)

and here

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/archive/t210490.html

I guess as a last resort you could try an manually 'shift' the audio track by approx the amount it is out of synch - but with a 6 hour processing / burning time this might not be very practicle.

Good luck

[punky]

Just so you know, I had a lip-syncing problem. It was to do with the NTSC -> PAL conversion. I converted the MPEG2 vid from NTSC to PAL using MF, as well as TMPGENC, and it played fine on my computer as a .mpg file, but when I burnt it to DVD the audio and video became mysteriously desynced. When I burnt it as a NTSC (different frame rates), it worked.

[SMHarman]

You could use an app like goldwave to edit the audio file, chop 1/2 a second from it in the right place and reburn. Should be quick as the audio file is already correctly coded You probably have dropped video which is not being coded, but no drop in the audio. 14 frames is .56 of a second on PAL(/25) and .46 of a second on NTSC(/30).

Watch the DVD find where the sync slips and not the time, find a quiet part near there and slice.

I imagine the audio has not dropped any time, but the picture has.

Short term you need to kill all other processes on your PC when doing this (no surfing, emailing etc, disconnect the network cable, turn off zone alarm...)

Mid term you need to consider if your hardware is sufficient, Mac is the easy way to go, but you can get a barebones PC with a AMD2400 160Gb HDD motherboard with most of what you need on it for not much cash. An AMD1800 will probably keep up without breaking a sweat. SATA HDDs will be good to consider on the upgrade path.

My PC has two 80Gb 7200rpm SATA150 HDDs in RAID0 giving massive HDD bandwith. AMD2400 and has no problems with capture. Video editing is not a graphic intensive process (its all 2d), so a top flight graphics card is not necessary either Radeon 9100 64Mb does me.

[Mike]

Success !!!!!!!!!!!!! Just burned a DVD over night and lip sync is OK.

Did a defrag and closed every thing down on PC before and it all worked ok.

Thanks for every ones help could not have done it with out it

Kind regards to everyone

Mike

[andygrif]

Glad it worked! You're welcome.

[erol]

Yeah well done Mike.