Dazzle Video Creator 80 or 150 ???

[paulyoung666]

its a result

[erol]

Originally Posted by Mike

I only have a couple of old videos to do and have just 'phoned a friend' who has a camera that will do it.

So a combination of 'ask the audience' and 'phone a friend' got you through this one

You now have £32,000 . That's safe so you may as well have a guess at the next question anyway. So for £64,000

"I have some old cine8 movies - how do I get them into my computer"

[Mike]

Originally Posted by erol

So a combination of 'ask the audience' and 'phone a friend' got you through this one

You now have £32,000 . That's safe so you may as well have a guess at the next question anyway. So for £64,000

"I have some old cine8 movies - how do I get them into my computer"

Erol

For £125,00 0â₠¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦Ã¢âà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã ¢â‚¬Ã†šÃ‚¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€Å ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã¢à ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ ¦ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ ¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦Ã¢âà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã ¢â‚¬Ã†šÃ‚¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€Å ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã¢à ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ ¦.. do you dislike the Dizzle products because of quality or configuration ??? Or does any type of digitalisation have the same result. Problem being when I thought about the amount of VHS I would like to copy I realized a permanent solution may be the best and also because of the time it will take my friend might not let me 'phone a friend' if I have his camera for months. Just wondering which way to go ....card or external box deoending on which gives the best qualityââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚¦hence the £125,00 0 question.

Regards


Mike

[erol]

Originally Posted by Mike

Erol

For £125,00 0â₠¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦Ã¢âà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã ¢â‚¬Ã†šÃ‚¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€Å ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã¢à ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ ¦ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ ¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦Ã¢âà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã ¢â‚¬Ã†šÃ‚¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€Å ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦Ã¢à ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ ¦.. do you dislike the Dizzle products because of quality or configuration ??? Or does any type of digitalisation have the same result. Problem being when I thought about the amount of VHS I would like to copy I realized a permanent solution may be the best and also because of the time it will take my friend might not let me 'phone a friend' if I have his camera for months. Just wondering which way to go ....card or external box deoending on which gives the best qualityââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚¦hence the £125,00 0 question.

Regards


Mike

I guess my prejudice comes from the USB connctions these external boxes uses. Certainly any USB1 device (like the dazzle 80) will be limited in the resolutions it can digitise at, because the USB1 port simply cannot move enough data quick enough for such video capture apps. With USB2 this is not a problem as it runs much fatser than USB1. Even so it just seems like an 'extra link' in the chain to me, and comming from the 'old skool' I guess I always look for the most direct path, though with the power and speeds of machines these days that may be an anoronism on my part. I guess the real advantage of an external (USB2) based box, over an internal solution is that you can easily move it to another PC, which may or may not be of use to some. Also if you are nervous of opening up your PC then an external box has obvious attractions.

An internal card will connect directly into the system bus, which to me is a more 'elegant' solution than a connection to the USB port which then in turn connects into the system bus. In theory at least this second method requires a bit more CPU resource than the first - but as I say that's probably not that much of an issues these days, given the power or average home machines today.

My _personal_ choice would be for an internal card. In the 'old' days before video in functionality was common on graphics cards I used a miro dc10 video capture card (no longer made / sold I think). Since then I have simply looked for video in features on my main graphics card. First via an nvidia FX5600ultra card and more recently via an ATi 9800se AIW card. I must say I very happy with this latest card. The video capture features work fine, capturing at 720*576 @ 25fps with ease (no dropped frames) even with minimal CPU usage from other apps running at the same time. I love the remote control that comes with this card (as I have my PC linked to my telly) and I really love the PVR functions - recording from sat TV and pausing live TV with ease.

Its really a case of horses for course I guess. For some an external box like the dazzle 150 is a perferctly acceptable and even optimal solution. For me I prefer an 'intergrated onto my graphics card' solution.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by erol

I guess my prejudice comes from the USB connctions these external boxes uses. Certainly any USB1 device (like the dazzle 80) will be limited in the resolutions it can digitise at, because the USB1 port simply cannot move enough data quick enough for such video capture apps. With USB2 this is not a problem as it runs much fatser than USB1. Even so it just seems like an 'extra link' in the chain to me, and comming from the 'old skool' I guess I always look for the most direct path, though with the power and speeds of machines these days that may be an anoronism on my part. I guess the real advantage of an external (USB2) based box, over an internal solution is that you can easily move it to another PC, which may or may not be of use to some. Also if you are nervous of opening up your PC then an external box has obvious attractions.

An internal card will connect directly into the system bus, which to me is a more 'elegant' solution than a connection to the USB port which then in turn connects into the system bus. In theory at least this second method requires a bit more CPU resource than the first - but as I say that's probably not that much of an issues these days, given the power or average home machines today.

My _personal_ choice would be for an internal card. In the 'old' days before video in functionality was common on graphics cards I used a miro dc10 video capture card (no longer made / sold I think). Since then I have simply looked for video in features on my main graphics card. First via an nvidia FX5600ultra card and more recently via an ATi 9800se AIW card. I must say I very happy with this latest card. The video capture features work fine, capturing at 720*576 @ 25fps with ease (no dropped frames) even with minimal CPU usage from other apps running at the same time. I love the remote control that comes with this card (as I have my PC linked to my telly) and I really love the PVR functions - recording from sat TV and pausing live TV with ease.

Its really a case of horses for course I guess. For some an external box like the dazzle 150 is a perferctly acceptable and even optimal solution. For me I prefer an 'intergrated onto my graphics card' solution.

Erol

With the ATi 9800se AIW card does that mean you can record direct from the TV...........I was going to buy (in the future !!!!) and recordable DVD player but could this be my answer.....and easy to 'sell' the purchase to my wife

Regards

Mike

Originally Posted by Mike

Erol

With the ATi 9800se AIW card does that mean you can record direct from the TV...........I was going to buy (in the future !!!!) and recordable DVD player but could this be my answer.....and easy to 'sell' the purchase to my wife

Regards

Mike

hope Erol doesn't mind me chipping in on this - I also have an ATI AIW 9800se.

Mike - these cards have full 'video in' & 'video out' capability & can capture from any composite or svideo input. They also have a TV tuner built in, so you can watch TV on your monitor - and record TV direct to the hard disk (assuming a suitable cable/aerial feed is available). Using the supplied software you can also use the card for playback of DVD, VCD, CD & AVI. For DVD playback (assuming you have a DVD drive in your pc), you can watch on the monitor, or output the signal to an external TV & the card provides an RCA lead with an (undecoded) dolby 5.1 output as well, for an external amp/speakers.

[erol]

Originally Posted by Mike

Erol

With the ATi 9800se AIW card does that mean you can record direct from the TV...........I was going to buy (in the future !!!!) and recordable DVD player but could this be my answer.....and easy to 'sell' the purchase to my wife

Regards

Mike

As Homealone says (and no I dont mind ) yes you can.

My setup has an normal TV aerial going into the graphics card, as well as a compsite video in from my sat TV box. This allows me to watch and or record (and pause live) terestrial TV and sat TV (though not both at once) to my PC's HD. I also have composite video out from the card running back to the TV, so that I can watch recorded stuff stored on the HD on the TV screen (as well as DVD's and any other video I might have on PC). It all adds upto quite a mess of cables between the PC and TV (and even more when you add in the leads from my PC's sound card to the 5.1 speakers) but other than this it's a great system. I have forever abandoned tape as a storage medium for video and am over the moon to be able to do so.

When my partner realised she could easily pause (just by pushing the pause button on the remote) eastenders from the sat TV, to go and make a cup of tea / answer phone / have a pee, she was 'blown away'. It's also a lot easier to schedule a recording than your average video recorder (though not maybe video plus recordings).

One futher thing to note about the 9800se is that it is essentialy a full blown 9800 chip that did not 'rate' high enough for ATi to sell as a full 9800, so they disable 4 of the 8 rendering pipelines and sell it as a 9800se (at about 1/2 price of full 9800). This disabling is done via the drivers and there are '3rd party' drivers that renable the unused 4 pipelines. It would seem that about 50% of these 9800se cards actualy run fine as full 9800 cards without any problems when this is done. So basically you get a 50/50 chance that you can actually get 9800 power at 9800se prices. Renabling the unuesd pipelines in now way damages your card. Simply try the alternate drivers. If they work (without any coruption / artefacts) then great you have a full 9800. If not just go back to the ATi drivers and you still have a great value card imo. See here for more info on this.

http://softmod.ocfaq.com/