Jail for non-compliant women

[Russ]

I read on one of the Fathers4Justice websites that they are campaigning for mini-jail terms of about 3 days for mothers who don't comply with court orders which grant access to their children for the father. Now we all know how heavily biased the family court systems are toward the mothers and in some cases this might be justified but it's time action was taken against the time-wasting women who enjoy watching the father of their kids go through an emotional hell of helplessness. I've never been in favour of taking serious action againt the mother due to the effect it could well have on the child, but such a short spell in jail of 3 days could be a good idea. Providing suitable provisions can be made to look after the child or children, I really think this could be workable.

Opinions?

Originally Posted by Russ D

Providing suitable provisions can be made to look after the child or children, I really think this could be workable.

Opinions?

If practical for the father, make it Friday, Saturday and Sunday and let the father look after the child for that period. Seems to me a logical solution to the problem of not having access.

[Chris W]

i think it would be a good idea, especially if the father was given unlimited access to the child while the mother was inside.

I reckon the 3 day sentence should be a stepping stone to a more severe punishment. If a woman is given one and then continues to deny access to the father i think some further action should be taken, as this proves she obviously has no respect for the court that made the ruling. I am not suggesting a longer sentence, or giving full custody to the father instead... infact i can't think of a suitable punishment.... but i am sure that someone can!

[Julian]

I think it would be a very good idea and has been said make it at a time where the father can look after the children.

It's about time the scales were tipped back to respect the needs of the children to have contact with their father rather than the selfish behaviour of some mothers following the break up of a marriage/relationship.

[Defiant]

NICE ONE RUSS. As a single parent who had his son taken at 9 months old by his mother I agree 100%. Now there are going to be people out there who may be pro women but I can tell you know you don't have a clue. Women are not what they used to be like 20/30yrs ago.

I wont go into my story but my ex's own family don't wont to know her that's the sort of person she is.I used to have my son every weekend and travelled 30 miles each way to get him. This Christmas however he had enough. She was always having different guys there and her moving in a guy straight out of prison for manslaughter(the day he was out) was enough for him. He's now living with me.

The system however kept him from being with me sooner. Its one big sexiest thing. Most of my women friends agree with me on this one too so its not a men vs women thing.

As for the CSA they took every fecking penny I had most of which never seen its way to my son. It went on her nights out. She freely admits to going night clubbing 5 nights aweek.

The whole system stinks and theres no reason for it to be either because I know most women already know the score but the government are scared of doing anything about it. Equal rights my arse

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Russ D

I read on one of the Fathers4Justice websites that they are campaigning for mini-jail terms of about 3 days for mothers who don't comply with court orders which grant access to their children for the father. Now we all know how heavily biased the family court systems are toward the mothers and in some cases this might be justified but it's time action was taken against the time-wasting women who enjoy watching the father of their kids go through an emotional hell of helplessness. I've never been in favour of taking serious action againt the mother due to the effect it could well have on the child, but such a short spell in jail of 3 days could be a good idea. Providing suitable provisions can be made to look after the child or children, I really think this could be workable.

Opinions?

I agree in principal that action needs to be taken but I think jail is a bit harsh, someone with a prison record near enough has their entire employment life ruined, perhaps as a last resort maybe. (yes, I am in the same position with a neglegent ex-partner)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bifta

I agree in principal that action needs to be taken but I think jail is a bit harsh, someone with a prison record near enough has their entire employment life ruined, perhaps as a last resort maybe.

Yes, definately as a last resort. As for their having their employment life ruined, imagine how ruined the personal life of the fathers will be when they are denied the right to see their own kids despite court orders allowing them to.

[Xaccers]

I think it was on a recent show about baylifts where a single mum had a debt, the father was giving CSA contributions, but because she was on benifit, she didn't get a penny of it which confused me. Any one know anything about this?

The family courts need a good overhaul, this idea that the mother is automatically the best parent is stupid.

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I think it was on a recent show about baylifts where a single mum had a debt, the father was giving CSA contributions, but because she was on benifit, she didn't get a penny of it which confused me. Any one know anything about this?

The family courts need a good overhaul, this idea that the mother is automatically the best parent is stupid.

Family courts have no power over it now. They actually apologised to me because of the way the CSA were treating me. Believe it or not the CSA women stood up in court and DEMANDED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS I GAVE THEM. Yep and the court didn't say a thing to her about the way she behaved!.

If the mother if on DSS she may not get any of the contributions. It all depends on how much the father is left with. DSS try and claim moneys back for what they are already paying the mother. My ex however was getting moneys from both which is why I was always left skint

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Family courts have no power over it now. They actually apologised to me because of the way the CSA were treating me. Believe it or not the CSA women stood up in court and DEMANDED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS I GAVE THEM. Yep and the court didn't say a thing to her about the way she behaved!.

If the mother if on DSS she may not get any of the contributions. It all depends on how much the father is left with. DSS try and claim moneys back for what they are already paying the mother. My ex however was getting moneys from both which is why I was always left skint

So if she's on benifit, she just gets the benifits she'd get anyway, but the father still has to pay, so the CSA/gov cream off his wages.
Damn this is all so wrong.
A friend found out her husband had been having an affair, which produced a child. The mistress took him to the CSA, and they contacted my friend to see how much she earnt because they would take that into account when deciding how much money her husband should pay this other woman!
She told them to get stuffed.
He ended up having to pay about £400 a month I think, even tho the mistress was earning about £30K

[erol]

Surely the courts already have the power to punish people who ignore court orders? Is that not contempt of court (ignoring a court order)?

So why the need for a campaign ?

Just a little confused here really ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by erol

Surely the courts already have the power to punish people who ignore court orders? Is that not contempt of court (ignoring a court order)?

So why the need for a campaign ?

Just a little confused here really ?

The courts currently have NO means to punish a mother for failure to comply with an access order.

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So if she's on benifit, she just gets the benifits she'd get anyway, but the father still has to pay, so the CSA/gov cream off his wages.
Damn this is all so wrong.
A friend found out her husband had been having an affair, which produced a child. The mistress took him to the CSA, and they contacted my friend to see how much she earnt because they would take that into account when deciding how much money her husband should pay this other woman!
She told them to get stuffed.
He ended up having to pay about £400 a month I think, even tho the mistress was earning about £30K

Ha thats nothing she was getting the money from her boyfriends wages too. The women can't realy go wrong

PS oh some may remember how the goverment changed things in 2000 so the guys only have to pay 15% of there wages for 1 child. Well WRONG there still sorting that out now !

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I think it was on a recent show about baylifts where a single mum had a debt, the father was giving CSA contributions, but because she was on benifit, she didn't get a penny of it which confused me. Any one know anything about this?

The family courts need a good overhaul, this idea that the mother is automatically the best parent is stupid.

When the parent with care is on income support the dss will pursue the absent parent for payments through the csa. The dss will take ALL of the money to cover the payments they make to the parent with care.

THis is exactly what happened to me.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Ha thats nothing she was getting the money from her boyfriends wages too. The women can't realy go wrong

PS oh some may remember how the goverment changed things in 2000 so the guys only have to pay 15% of there wages for 1 child. Well WRONG there still sorting that out now !

I remember a radio play based on a true story where a guy had an affair, woman got pregnant, had child, then was killed in a car accident.
He was basically told that if he wanted custody of his daughter, rather than her grandmother getting it (simply because the baby was living at the grandmother/mother's house), he should have abducted her as the courts wouldn't want to disrupt the status quo of her then living with him.