Explosive Fertiliser Found in Terrorist Raid - Page 2

danielf · 31-03-2004, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

depends how its done.
The second series of 24 was about terrorism wasn't it? (sort of) with a killer virus being threatened to be let loose

Sorry, I didn't see 24. Yes, it depends on how it's done. I just don't want to see one of those shows that liberally mixes fact and fiction and portrays it as reflecting practice/real life. I don't think this is the right time that when it comes to the type of terrorism this thread is about...

Xaccers · 31-03-2004, 00:21

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Originally Posted by danielf

Sorry, I didn't see 24. Yes, it depends on how it's done. I just don't want to see one of those shows that liberally mixes fact and fiction and portrays it as reflecting practice/real life. I don't think this is the right time that when it comes to the type of terrorism this thread is about...

Its ok, nor did I, never could get into it.

punky · 31-03-2004, 00:56

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

depends how its done.
The second series of 24 was about terrorism wasn't it? (sort of) with a killer virus being threatened to be let loose

This might be a bit pedantic, I know, but I thought i'd mention it anyway. That was the third season (the one currently playing), that has the virus. The second one contains a nuclear bomb, and (this might sound familiar to some

) an oil exec who wants to start a war in the middle east to get cheap, seized oil. The first one if anyone is interested is basically an assasination attempt at a presidential candidate, and a personal one against Jack.

We had Spooks which is basically our version of 24. I watched it, and it was interesting enough at times, but it wasn't as good/exciting as 24. That'll be Hollywood for you. I miss my Pure 24... And my Tamzin Sylvester...

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Originally Posted by danielf

Don't we have enough of a terrorism scare as it is? The last thing we need is for the 'entertainment industry' to get involved.

I'm not entirely sure that TV has that much of an effect on people to be honest. I mean, after Season 2, I don't think Americans were anymore worried about nuclear bombs than before the show.

I think subliminally it could help actually. If we get bombarded with a TV show every week, that shows Al Qaeda gradually getting cut down, and various other Islamic fundamentalists being taken out of commission, it could be propaganda that could bolster morale somewhat, although i'm sure race relations groups would have a field day with us costantly blaiming muslims (although they are the biggest clear threat atm.). I think a gritty drama series about an attack could be supported with a lesson in protecting yourself against an attack (taping up windows, have a supply of bottle water, etc.). Unlike in America, I think if here, we started putting help of that sort on the TV, people really would get worried that the security serviceswere warning us about an immient attack.

Dellware: those links were broken for me. But we have all seen the various versions of the Anarchist's Cookbook online haven't we... That doesn't help much.

--Resident 24 Guru

danielf · 31-03-2004, 01:09

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Originally Posted by punky

I think subliminally it could help actually. If we get bombarded with a TV show every week, that shows Al Qaeda gradually getting cut down, and various other Islamic fundamentalists being taken out of commission, it could be propaganda that could bolster morale somewhat, although i'm sure race relations groups would have a field day with us costantly blaiming muslims (although they are the biggest clear threat atm.).

I agree that muslim fundamentalism (you didn't single out fundamentalists) is the biggest threat atm, but I find this 'us against them attitude' a little worrying.

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Originally Posted by punky

I think a gritty drama series about an attack could be supported with a lesson in protecting yourself against an attack (taping up windows, have a supply of bottle water, etc.). Unlike in America, I think if here, we started putting help of that sort on the TV, people really would get worried that the security serviceswere warning us about an immient attack.
--Resident 24 Guru

And that is precisely the type of mass panic I would like to see avoided.

kronas · 31-03-2004, 01:17

i see bad things happening, im sure alot of people think muslims could be terrorists even though they might be law abiding citizens.

im quite suprised that the police have found and 'rumbled' so many attacks but eventually one will get through its an inevitability, when and where no one will know........

danielf · 31-03-2004, 01:22

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Originally Posted by kronas

i see bad things happening, im sure alot of people think muslims could be terrorists even though they might be law abiding citizens.

im quite suprised that the police have found and 'rumbled' so many attacks but eventually one will get through its an inevitability, when and where no one will know........

I'm afraid I have to agree with both statements...

kronas · 31-03-2004, 01:24

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Originally Posted by danielf

I'm afraid I have to agree with both statements...

i wish it wasent true but its, its just going to stir things up, the constant news stories about 'muslims' or 'foreginers' taking part in terrorist action, its quite revolting because it signifies an intent by the media to portray people in a bad light, people will treat others 'diffarently' because of these reports.

punky · 31-03-2004, 01:35

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Originally Posted by danielf

I agree that muslim fundamentalism (you didn't single out fundamentalists)

Err.. Yeah I did. Second line in that quote. "Al Qaeda and other islamic fundamentalists". Actually, that should read terrorists. People can be fundamentalist, even to the point of preaching hate, without actually participating acts of terror.

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Originally Posted by danielf

And that is precisely the type of mass panic I would like to see avoided.

Trouble is mate, When it does happen (and it will eventually), if noone is prepared, then the mass panic will be amplified. Forewarned is forearmed, and all that. Apparently, when we ran that terrorist attack drill at Bank station, we all did terrible. I think everyone should know what to do well in advance, but it would be tricky to get it out into the public domain, without people assuming there will be an attack the next day. I think the government missed a prime opportunity with that terrorist attack drill.

In America (although I haven't seen it recently when I was last over there), Tom Ridge used to come on TV quite a lot and gave people sound advice to prepare for an attack. Nothing to paranoia-inducing, just sensible advice to minimise personal injury.

Shaun · 31-03-2004, 01:37

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Originally Posted by punky

That doesn't help much.

Actually they were centered on Immanuel and Afred Nobel (famed for their prizes) and why explosives work, not so much how to make them, does that "help", perhaps not but still a little more on topic than which series of 24 was which

I'll look at the links tomorrow I'm too tired now.

danielf · 31-03-2004, 01:38

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Originally Posted by kronas

i wish it wasent true but its, its just going to stir things up, the constant news stories about 'muslims' or 'foreginers' taking part in terrorist action, its quite revolting because it signifies an intent by the media to portray people in a bad light, people will treat others 'diffarently' because of these reports.

I suppose it depends on which media you read/watch, but so far I have not seen an intent to portray muslims/foreigners in a bad light. I share your concerns though.

punky · 31-03-2004, 01:42

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Originally Posted by dellwear

Actually they were centered on Immanuel and Afred Nobel (famed for their prizes) and why explosives work, not so much how to make them, does that "help", perhaps not but still a little more on topic than which series of 24 was which

I'll look at the links tomorrow I'm too tired now.

Sorry mate, that "Doesn't help much" wasn't directed at you, or your post. I meant the Anarchists Cookbook doesn't really help (ie in the fight against terror), as it is freely available, and I hear, quite detailed. Sorry.

kronas · 31-03-2004, 02:15

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Originally Posted by danielf

I suppose it depends on which media you read/watch, but so far I have not seen an intent to portray muslims/foreigners in a bad light. I share your concerns though.

i have not seen the media in these reports, but in previous occasions CH5 skynews BBC news all kept on going on about so many muslims being aressted and you wonder why race relations are even more strained.

danielf · 31-03-2004, 10:59

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Originally Posted by punky

Err.. Yeah I did. Second line in that quote. "Al Qaeda and other islamic fundamentalists". Actually, that should read terrorists. People can be fundamentalist, even to the point of preaching hate, without actually participating acts of terror.

Ah, sorry, you did, though it was a bit implicit in your later mention of muslims.

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Originally Posted by punky

Trouble is mate, When it does happen (and it will eventually), if noone is prepared, then the mass panic will be amplified. Forewarned is forearmed, and all that. Apparently, when we ran that terrorist attack drill at Bank station, we all did terrible. I think everyone should know what to do well in advance, but it would be tricky to get it out into the public domain, without people assuming there will be an attack the next day. I think the government missed a prime opportunity with that terrorist attack drill.

In America (although I haven't seen it recently when I was last over there), Tom Ridge used to come on TV quite a lot and gave people sound advice to prepare for an attack. Nothing to paranoia-inducing, just sensible advice to minimise personal injury.

I have nothing against informing the public. I just wonder if a drama series (liberally mixing fact and fiction) is the right way to do it.

danielf · 31-03-2004, 11:03

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Originally Posted by kronas

i have not seen the media in these reports, but in previous occasions CH5 skynews BBC news all kept on going on about so many muslims being aressted and you wonder why race relations are even more strained.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I italicized intent in my earlier post. I don't think there is necessarily an intent to portray muslims/foreigners in a bad light (in the serious media anyway).

punky · 31-03-2004, 13:07

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Originally Posted by danielf

I have nothing against informing the public. I just wonder if a drama series (liberally mixing fact and fiction) is the right way to do it.

To be honest mate, if the government ministers appeared on your TV today, tomorrow, or any other time, just to say how to protect yourself, wouldn't you think: "Why are they telling me this now?", at some random point some 3 years after 9/11? I'd think they knew something specific and I guess most other people would. Smuggling it in under the guise of a drama, would make people think: oh they just thought it was a good time to include it. If they were going to run an ad campaign without a drama series to back it up, then they should of attached it to some aniversary. like once a year after 9/11 or something. Without some "excuse" to get it out, I doubt you could warn people without them getting worried.

I really think there should be more education though. Attaching to something I think would be the only way to get it out without worrying people unnecessarily.