Lying on job applications

I never lie on CVS i really do have 4 degree awards from oxford, they just are nor mine thats all

[Julian]

The most common one must be to inflate one's existing salary.

Thing is it is easily checkable when the P45 appears, I doubt any employers bother though.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Scooby

To be honest they are trying everything to keep her in Jail for as long as possible so it comes as no suprise IMO

Yeah that's what I thought they were trying to do.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Fraud, in the traditional sense, is synonymous to lying. Lying is not illegal and should not be illegal. This is a form of thought police and the government trying to legislate morality. If the government is there to legislate morality, lets start looking at divorce laws, abortion laws, and so on.

Lying is illegal in certain contexts, I can only assume that you have never heard of perjury. So you don`t think that fraud should be a crime?

[etccarmageddon]

I've no problem with it being an 'offence' provided on the application form this is clearly spelt out above the bit where you sign... in the same way as signing a credit agreement. e.g. 'please be aware that false statements about yourself blah blah blah is a civil office and can lead to prosecution under section nn of the such and such act'.

Eduction/Prevention is the best way of dealing with this kind of issue.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Matuka

However, when you lie at a job interview, you are tricking an employer into paying you to do a job that you do not meet the requirements off.

So? I can lie to anyone on the street by pretending to be a begger and have them give money to me.

Lying is NOT illegal.

You lie to get some money.

No, you lie to get the job. You work to get the money.

Why should lying here be any different to lying to the police etc?

Lying to the police should not be illegal, unless you're under oath.

Suppose I was to lie in a job interview that I was an experienced & qualified surgeon, then I was to get a job based on this & because of my incompetence & inexperience at surgery cause the death of a patient.

Do you not think that this would be wrong?

It doesn't really matter what *I* think. *I* think it is wrong and wouldn't do it, but, I'm not about to legislate morality and force my opinion onto others.

If you do get the job based solely on what you said and no one bothered to check up on it, they should be held accountable for neglect.

*You* should then be held accountable for murder because you murdered that patient.

The crime here is murder, not lying to get a job.

Or do you Canadians have a different moral sense than the rest of us?

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Wise up sir.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Lying is illegal in certain contexts, I can only assume that you have never heard of perjury.

That is considered fraud. Be careful to note that I gave two definitions.

So you don`t think that fraud should be a crime?

I did not say that. Wise up you ****ing idiot.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I've no problem with it being an 'offence' provided on the application form this is clearly spelt out above the bit where you sign... in the same way as signing a credit agreement. e.g. 'please be aware that false statements about yourself blah blah blah is a civil office and can lead to prosecution under section nn of the such and such act'.

Eduction/Prevention is the best way of dealing with this kind of issue.

That is the way to do it. Make the person sign a form where he issues a statement that everything he has said and written down is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If he signs that and its later discovered to be untrue, you have grounds for fraud.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

That is considered fraud. Be careful to note that I gave two definitions.

Don't forget that we rarely recognise US/Canadian laws and their terminology.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

I did not say that. Wise up you ****ing idiot.

Enough of that please.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Don't forget that we rarely recognise US/Canadian laws and their terminology.

This has nothing to do with laws. I just gave two definitions. One in the legal terms, and one used in every day language.

[Xaccers]

With regards to maxine, I think it's the obtaining job seekers allowance and other benifits through fraudulant means are the serious crimes with the long sentances.
The job application bits are probably to just show her as a bad person.
And of course, the media will concentrate on the bits that make her out to be a lier because of the huntley case.

[MetaWraith]

Lying on a Job Application or CV is IMHO most definitely wrong, and probably fraud too. However "Tailoring" of your CV towards the specific position you are applying for is not only acceptable, it's almost "de rigeur".

I was recently in the situation of hunting for a new job, and therefor sending my CV to Job Agencies etc. What I did was create a Master CV which was then Tailored to each specific job application. The tailoring being in the nature of emphasising which of my skills met the requirements of the position.

[Halcyon]

It might get you the job, but saying you can do this, this, and that, and then you cant do it it a week later when asked, will only get you the sack.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

This has nothing to do with laws. I just gave two definitions. One in the legal terms, and one used in every day language.

What might be a US legal term may have a different meaning/connotation here.

[Jerrek]

Very well then Russ, explain. Since you're such an expert in law and since you are insisting on making a mere definition an issue, please explain how my definition of fraud now suddenly "American."