What browser do you use?

[poolking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Jerrek is right by the way, IE is the main broswer so it should be the primany concern to him.

Also the USA link is nothing really theres not to much diffrance between him and 'us' the british not that i see how it compares to users using IE or not

But does this excuse his immature response because members have questioned him?

Sorry to just focus narrowly on one thing, but someone who cannot debate with out resorting to swearing and having a "tantrum" should not be listened to until they have calmed down and regained their composure.

[Richard M]

Hehe, people getting so passionate over browsers.
There's nothing wrong with a heated discussion sometimes, no need to swear though.

Originally Posted by Richard M

Hehe, people getting so passionate over browsers.
There's nothing wrong with a heated discussion sometimes, no need to swear though.

its the final sign of becoming a uber-geek. The sign of geekdom

Fancy having a fight over browsers! :pp

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Sir, I feel compelled to point out that you're ignoring what I'm writing. What does web server architecture have to do with user applications? 99.999% of people that will be using my software will be running a Microsoft operating system. If I develop using C++ in Linux, then my software will not run on Windows. Hence, I loose 99.999% of my market. The other option is to spend double the development time to code for both systems. Of course, my rate of return will not be double.

So no, I'm sorry, there is no way that I'm developing user applications for Linux or UNIX at this time. End of discussion.

Some food for thought: How many of my restaurant point-of-sale systems do you think will I sell if the application requires Linux to run? None. I'd bet all of them would want to be able to run Microsoft Office on the same computer.

Jerrek, you appear to be getting confused between browsers and operating systems. No-one is talking about writing for Unix as such, we're talking about writing code that produces good pages in web browsers. If you consider just Windows for a moment, yes IE is still the dominant browser but there are plenty of others. When you take all OSes and all browsers between them, I don't imagine IE's dominance is quite so crushing. Not yet anyway.

A key issue I face is that we have to distribute financial information. If we want to do it on the web, then we have to ensure we do it in a way that doesn't disbar anyone. To deny someone access to that sort of information by knowingly designing the page to work with only certain web browsers would be legally dubious in the extreme. We need a standards based approach to our web development.

Originally Posted by poolking

But does this excuse his immature response because members have questioned him?

Sorry to just focus narrowly on one thing, but someone who cannot debate with out resorting to swearing and having a "tantrum" should not be listened to until they have calmed down and regained their composure.

No, I was commeting on the point not his manner, really its not for me to say agure the point but never the tone in forums or problems start

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by towny

Jerrek, you appear to be getting confused between browsers and operating systems.

Towny, no, I originally stated

For web applications, I use php or asp depending on the client's choice as a scripting language, Java for UNIX executables, and Delphi for IIS ISAPI DLLs. I don't write applications for UNIX (gnome or kde or other xcrap), and I don't care to design web pages for Opera/Firefox/Mozilla/other browsers. It is not my business at the moment.

I made the distinction over there. Then, Richard M came

I find it laughable that you say that you don't write apps for Unix/Linux and don't support the open standards of the web when you code in PHP, a language born on Linux, which is open source and is designed to coexist with the latest in web standards such as XML and XHTML.

This is what I don't understand. I'm not writing apps for Unix because there is no market. All applications I write is for Windows 32-bit. I don't even code for 64-bit Windows. Target market for apps: Win32

As to web services, I write in ASP or PHP or even perl when required. It has nothing to do with the server OS because you can run any of these on any operating system. The target market then shifts to a browser-based market. In this case, I code and optimize for IE. If it works in other browsers, great. It not, tough. Target market for web services: Internet Explorer (on UNIX or Windows)

No-one is talking about writing for Unix as such, we're talking about writing code that produces good pages in web browsers. If you consider just Windows for a moment, yes IE is still the dominant browser but there are plenty of others. When you take all OSes and all browsers between them, I don't imagine IE's dominance is quite so crushing. Not yet anyway.

For your first point, I beg to differ. Regarding your second point, well, until the market shifts, or until my business is profitable enough to persue a minority market, I do not care for other browsers out there.

A key issue I face is that we have to distribute financial information. If we want to do it on the web, then we have to ensure we do it in a way that doesn't disbar anyone. To deny someone access to that sort of information by knowingly designing the page to work with only certain web browsers would be legally dubious in the extreme. We need a standards based approach to our web development.

And I really don't care what the standard is. Let the geeks fight it out. All I'm interested in is developing for the majority market so my business can grow.


As for my response, I had plenty of good-natured responses, but there is a time when my patience ran out. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Less of this rubbish, matter over with,

Now lets all go out for frosty chocolate milkshakes

[Stuartbe]

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