What browser do you use?

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Richard M

I find it laughable that you say that you don't write apps for Unix/Linux and don't support the open standards of the web when you code in PHP, a language born on Linux, which is open source and is designed to coexist with the latest in web standards such as XML and XHTML.

I don't write apps for Unix and Linux because there is no market. You will not get growth for a startup company by aiming at a small minority market. Business 101.

The language you're using is a total contradiction to what you have been saying in this thread.
IE's standards support hasn't been updated since 2001.
That makes your work three years out of date.

Who cares? I couldn't care...

At least then I'll be able to concentrate on making my site look good.

And its impossible to make a site look good in IE? Wise up sir.

[ic14]

jerrek did you read the link in his post: http://www.richardm.co.uk/blog/archives/000004.html

It was IE that was having the problem.

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

I don't write apps for Unix and Linux because there is no market. You will not get growth for a startup company by aiming at a small minority market. Business 101.

No market?

Originally Posted by Jerrek

And its impossible to make a site look good in IE? Wise up sir.

I'm sorry, what I should have said was:

At least then I'll be able to concentrate on making my site look good instead of wasting time fixing bugs in a crap browser.

It's not just me who thinks this:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2003c.html
http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0603a.shtml#luxury
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thought...html#t20020402

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by ic14

jerrek did you read the link in his post: http://www.richardm.co.uk/blog/archives/000004.html

It was IE that was having the problem.

So? It proves my point. I'm developing for IE, not for a small minority.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Richard M

No market?

Sir, I feel compelled to point out that you're ignoring what I'm writing. What does web server architecture have to do with user applications? 99.999% of people that will be using my software will be running a Microsoft operating system. If I develop using C++ in Linux, then my software will not run on Windows. Hence, I loose 99.999% of my market. The other option is to spend double the development time to code for both systems. Of course, my rate of return will not be double.

So no, I'm sorry, there is no way that I'm developing user applications for Linux or UNIX at this time. End of discussion.

Some food for thought: How many of my restaurant point-of-sale systems do you think will I sell if the application requires Linux to run? None. I'd bet all of them would want to be able to run Microsoft Office on the same computer.

[ic14]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

So? It proves my point. I'm developing for IE, not for a small minority.

WTF???

Read it FFS.
It says he has written perfect code, but because of IEs "features" IE wont render the page properly.

Oh and stop saying minority. Remember your in a minority here, being the only american on a british board.

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Sir, I feel compelled to point out that you're ignoring what I'm writing. What does web server architecture have to do with user applications?

We were talking about web apps a few posts back...

[Steve H]

Any need for that IC

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Richard M

It's not just me who thinks this:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2003c.html
http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0603a.shtml#luxury
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thought...html#t20020402

I really couldn't give a damn what other people think of IE. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of people run IE. You don't ****ing go out there and develop for a minority market if you're running a startup business. GET IT STRAIGHT. I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I'm NOT ****ING CATERING to the minority market of geeks who run Linux with their toy browsers they see as the next best thing since sliced bread. IE may not be the best. I couldn't give a damn whether it is or isn't. I'll leave that to the geeks to argue over. What is important is what the market wants, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M AFTER.

[ic14]

Originally Posted by Steve H

Any need for that IC

What? Hes goinf on about minorities, im just saying that he is in one too.

sheesh steve. You really have something againset me [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

[ic14]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

I really couldn't give a damn what other people think of IE. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of people run IE. You don't ****ing go out there and develop for a minority market if you're running a startup business. GET IT STRAIGHT. I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. I'm NOT ****ING CATERING to the minority market of geeks who run Linux with their toy browsers they see as the next best thing since sliced bread. IE may not be the best. I couldn't give a damn whether it is or isn't. I'll leave that to the geeks to argue over. What is important is what the market wants, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M AFTER.

Jerrek, calm down or something will happen. Im no ttrying to rile you or anything, im just saying calm down.

[poolking]

Very mature argument Jerrek.

What W3C standards Microsoft thinks that IE adheres to is anyones guess.

What shows "correctly" in IE doesn't necessarily mean it conforms to the standards.

With IE you can get away with sloppy HTML coding.

[MadGamer]

Can we not turn this thread into an argument please!!!!

Jerrek is right by the way, IE is the main broswer so it should be the primany concern to him.

Also the USA link is nothing really theres not to much diffrance between him and 'us' the british not that i see how it compares to users using IE or not

[poolking]

Originally Posted by WNA

Can we not turn this thread into an argument please!!!!

Not causing an argument, just stating a fact, its just that Jerrek should be more mature in his response to others that question him.