US Veto Again

[deadite66]

Originally Posted by downquark1

They killed an old man in a wheel chair outside a church with an airstrike, I think you can appreciate why people are angry.

Of course such methods are worthy of a terrorist

and if that person was osama bin laden?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by deadite66

and if that person was osama bin laden?

Agreed.

I find it hard to take sides in this continuing conflict. However, if I were to sympathise more with one group,at this time, it would be the Palestinians.

But over the course of the past 45 years both sides have been guilty of Murder and Terror. At the moment Israel have the upper hand and military might and there will be no peace unless Israel want it. I don't think they want it

This is not the same as the situation with Al-Qaeda, the Palastinians can be negotiated with. They were close a few years ago, if they really wanted it that bad they could achieve it.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by downquark1

They killed an old man in a wheel chair outside a church with an airstrike, I think you can appreciate why people are angry.

Pardon me, but if an old man in a wheel chair killed my brother, I would still want him dead. So no, I can't quite see why people get all upset.

Of course such methods are worthy of a terrorist

Yep. I agree.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Excuse me? Do they send 14 year old suicide bombers? I find myself wondering who started the Israel/Palestine business....who cast the first stone?
edit-- just found this : http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ind..._war_start.php
(I don't know how biased or not it is)

Nah Israel dont send 14 year old suicide bombers to Palistinian towns..............


........ they send gun ships and tanks and heavily armed soldiers that dispise the populations and have some kind of itchy alergic reactions incidently on their trigger fingers.

They shoot people in the street for throwing rocks.

Make sme think of Northern Ireland in the 60's and 70's massacres galore.
However the palistinians need to learn that blowing themselves up in croweded Israeli streets is not going to make **** all difference

[Jerrek]

"There will be no peace in Israel as long as they [Palestinians] continue to hate us more than they love their children."

This "occupation" thing is a myth. There is no occupation. There has never been a state of Palestine. If you want to call this an occupation, why did they never take up arms against Jordanian occupation a few decades ago? BECAUSE THERE IS NO OCCUPATION.

I must say, I find it quite amusing how my big post just quieted everyone down.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Fine words but it is, nevertheless, a terrorist group and he was a member....

but if the man was a member of a terrorist group then surely he should have been arrested and put on trial - rather than killed via a state authorised assasination?

was he given the option to surrender?


surely the methods used to kill him are just as bad as the methods used by the terrorists?

and as we're speaking of terrorists - if Israel has such a problem with terrorism then why is Arial Sharron in a position of power?

considering his history of involvement in terrorism I think it's bit rich for Israel to have an ex terrorist who murdered arabs running their country and then complain about terrorism from the very people that Arial took pleasure is killing when he was an active terrorist.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

but if the man was a member of a terrorist group then surely he should have been arrested and put on trial - rather than killed via a state authorised assasination?

was he given the option to surrender?

There is nothing wrong with a state authorized assassination. Had he been an Israeli citizen it might be different. But, Israel has no jurisdiction in that area so laws don't apply there. A state authorized assassination was warrented.

Explain to me how preserving his life would have been beneficial to society.

[etccarmageddon]

if this mans crimes were against Israel then they would have had every right to pick him up and try him in Israel.


"there is nothing wrong with state authorised assasination"
- there is when there is the option of a fair trial where a person has the right to defend himself.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

if this mans crimes were against Israel then they would have had every right to pick him up and try him in Israel.

Then, a person committing a crime in the United States and escaping to the United Kingdom can be arrested by the United States military, on the streets, in the United Kingdom?

No. Absolutely not. I disagree completely with what you're advocating.

"there is nothing wrong with state authorised assasination"
- there is when there is the option of a fair trial where a person has the right to defend himself.

Who will the jury be? Wise up, sir.

[ic14]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Wise up, sir.

U like saying that dont ya? Always when someones willing to disagree with you.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Then, a person committing a crime in the United States and escaping to the United Kingdom can be arrested by the United States military, on the streets, in the United Kingdom?

No. Absolutely not. I disagree completely with what you're advocating.

we are talking Israel here not UK/USA - a different situation. wise up yourself! a better comparison would be UK troops heading into Ireland to pick up a terrorist ring leader.


anyway here's some interesting info on mr Sharron:-

http://www.sierratimes.com/02/04/07/dantre.htm

[etccarmageddon]

http://electronicintifada.net/forref...es/sharon.html

"As commander of the notorious Unit 101, Sharon led attacks on Palestinian villages in which women and children were killed.

The massacre in the West Bank village of Qibya, on October 14, 1953, was perhaps the most notorious. His troops blew up 45 houses and 69 Palestinian civilians -- about half of them women and children -- were killed.

The U.S. Department of State issued a statement on 18 October 1953, expressing its "deepest sympathy for the families of those who lost their lives" in the Qibya attack as well as the conviction that those responsible "should be brought to account and that effective measures should be taken to prevent such incidents in the future." (Department of State Bulletin, Oct. 26, 1953, p. 552). "

[Graham F]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

There is nothing wrong with a state authorized assassination. Had he been an Israeli citizen it might be different. But, Israel has no jurisdiction in that area so laws don't apply there. A state authorized assassination was warrented.

Explain to me how preserving his life would have been beneficial to society.

ok about 2 years ago i remember seeing TV pictures of a young boy and his dad being shot at by Israel fprces they were trying to hide so they wouldn't die but the soldiers kept shooting, finally they killed both of them in front of the worlds media.

*shakes head*

But I guess you think thats ok do you?


Or this and the solider only faces charges after the British Goverment get involved and for aggravated assault. WTF try murder!!!

try reading the below link, hardly an act of a country with good human rights record is it ?

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_ar...7&sectionID=22

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Then, a person committing a crime in the United States and escaping to the United Kingdom can be arrested by the United States military, on the streets, in the United Kingdom?

No. Absolutely not. I disagree completely with what you're advocating.


Who will the jury be? Wise up, sir.

Jury could be a international one.

Anyway arent you the person who watchs Fox news because you think its more impartial than the bbc? LOL

Quite odd though its usually france who love to use their veto

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

I must say, I find it quite amusing how my big post just quieted everyone down.

Perhaps people are just tired of your empty and selective rhetoric...