What browser do you use? - Page 4

philip.j.fry · 25-03-2004, 15:34

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Originally Posted by John Smiths

OSX - Safari, and then occasionally IE if it doesn't work in Safari, but that rarely happens now.

And in WinXp - Firefox 0.8 and IE for same reason as above

Yes, you got me thinking and I am definately seeing fewer 'best viewed in IE' or 'IE only' messages on websites, this can only be a good thing.

altis · 25-03-2004, 15:48

IMHO developers who insist their users have a particular browser, even if a popular one, are being very short sited. These days, the web is finding its way into more and more appliances that are not, on the face of it, 'computers', for example, webcams and fridges. Internet TVs have come and gone but, no doubt, will be back again. Using some proprietary extensions to HTML simply extends Microsoft's power further into these markets. Please don't do it!

Richard M · 25-03-2004, 15:48

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Originally Posted by towny

No it isn't; M$ got taken to court over this issue when they started claiming IE was part of Windoze 95. It took a few minutes for a couple of techies to demonstrate that IE could be unbundled from the OS. IIRC M$ is prohibited from making IE part of Windows itself, although that doesn't stop them integrating it pretty tightly, more's the pity.

It isn't an integral part of the OS?
You sure about that?

OK, XP users - right click on any icon in your Quick Launch next to the Start button, go to Properties then go to the General tab.
See the path?

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C:\Documents and Settings\Richard\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

Not part of the OS eh?

poolking · 25-03-2004, 16:22

I have been using Firefox 0.8 until recently, but since they disabled cut/copy and paste in the vbulletin WYSIWYG editor and also certain things do not appear in the admin control panel for vbulletin, I have ditched it and gone back to IE6.

Even though I do love the tabbed browsing, which I now miss.

**Chris** · 25-03-2004, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Richard M

It isn't an integral part of the OS?
You sure about that?

OK, XP users - right click on any icon in your Quick Launch next to the Start button, go to Properties then go to the General tab.
See the path?

Not part of the OS eh?

Uh? M$ can arrange its folders any way you like, Windoze has been proven in court to work perfectly well with IE completely removed. As such, it might very well be tightly integrated with the OS (which is all your example actually proves) but it is not part of the OS itself.

altis · 25-03-2004, 17:08

Pop a shortcut in the path that richard suggests and you will get an icon on your 'quicklaunch' toolbar. This usually appears at the bottom of your desktop and has nothing to do with IE. So why the curous directory name?

MadGamer · 25-03-2004, 17:28

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Originally Posted by poolking

I have been using Firefox 0.8 until recently, but since they disabled cut/copy and paste in the vbulletin WYSIWYG editor and also certain things do not appear in the admin control panel for vbulletin, I have ditched it and gone back to IE6.

Even though I do love the tabbed browsing, which I now miss.

Hmm... i get that as well. It only works for web addresses

Stuart · 25-03-2004, 17:39

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Originally Posted by towny

Uh? M$ can arrange its folders any way you like, Windoze has been proven in court to work perfectly well with IE completely removed. As such, it might very well be tightly integrated with the OS (which is all your example actually proves) but it is not part of the OS itself.

I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK if you remove the whole of IE (which ,under the hood, is actually a lot more than just the browser) you cripple Windows' ability to use TCP/IP. This is why what is actually installed when you install IE for windows, depends on your OS..

Richard M · 25-03-2004, 17:45

Yeah, plus mshtml.dll* is used by Outlook, Outlook Express, Office, Windows Help and probably a lot more.
Ever wonder why an IE vuln nearly always applies to Outlook etc as well?
I can even remember editing .htt files for to determine the display of directories back in Win98 and thinking "WTF? Javascript and HTML?"

Scary stuff, I prefer my browser to be "sandboxed" like Java and Gecko are.

* The rendering "engine" behind IE.

Stuart · 25-03-2004, 17:48

Opera 6.2 on my P800
Opera 7 and IE 6 on my work and home pcs.
Safari (don't know the version) on my work Mac.

philip.j.fry · 25-03-2004, 18:44

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Originally Posted by poolking

I have been using Firefox 0.8 until recently, but since they disabled cut/copy and paste in the vbulletin WYSIWYG editor and also certain things do not appear in the admin control panel for vbulletin, I have ditched it and gone back to IE6.

Even though I do love the tabbed browsing, which I now miss.

Sounds like something they missed out by accident rather than deliberately removed, do a bugzilla report on it and hopefully you'll see it back in 0.9 (or a nightly).

Richard M · 25-03-2004, 18:51

Poolking: I've been using FF 0.8 here for ages, there is nothing missing from the Admin CP and I can copy and paste as much as I want.

**Chris** · 25-03-2004, 19:20

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Originally Posted by scastle

I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK if you remove the whole of IE (which ,under the hood, is actually a lot more than just the browser) you cripple Windows' ability to use TCP/IP. This is why what is actually installed when you install IE for windows, depends on your OS..

Nevertheless, these guys: www.litepc.com are selling an app that allows you to completely remove the parts of Windows you don't want, including IE.

goblin · 25-03-2004, 19:59

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Originally Posted by poolking

I have been using Firefox 0.8 until recently, but since they disabled cut/copy and paste in the vbulletin WYSIWYG editor and also certain things do not appear in the admin control panel for vbulletin, I have ditched it and gone back to IE6.

Even though I do love the tabbed browsing, which I now miss.

If you miss "Tabbed Browsing" so much why not install one of the following;

Crazy Browser (small and light)
http://www.crazybrowser.com

or

Avant Browser (includes mouse gestures)
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Jerrek · 25-03-2004, 20:37

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Originally Posted by towny

Great. A developer that tells me, the customer, how I want to work. Remind me not to put any business your way ...

Then don't come to me for business.

I do not specialize in writing software for minority markets. I don't write software for Mac or Linux. I just can't be bothered to. My business focus on Windows and IE6.