Madrid Bomb Blast

[Pierre]

Pierre, I have already explained what I have done in this and other threads.

Accusing me of cowardice is not a way to conduct a reasoned debate and until you learn what is I am not going to waste my time responding to baseless insults.

Not in this thread, I was careful to read through your posts to ensure that.

I am not accusing you of cowardice, I'm sorry if that is how you perceive it. I am accusing you of contradicting posts without the good grace of backing them up yourself with your own alternative solutions.

You are not having a reasoned debate. You ask me to learn. I should advise you learn the differnence between debate/argument and contradiction

Reminds of that famous Monty Python Sketch.

"I came here for an argument"

"No you didn't"

"You're just contradicting me"

"No I'm not"

"ooh you just did"

"No I didn't".

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not in this thread, I was careful to read through your posts to ensure that.

In which case, I suggest you go back and take another look at post #113

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=113

Where I said:

"I have the right to object to a course or policy *without* needing to solve the problem as the price of that objection."

It seems you did not read carefully enough.

I am not accusing you of cowardice, I'm sorry if that is how you perceive it. I am accusing you of contradicting posts without the good grace of backing them up yourself with your own alternative solutions.

No, you did not. You said (again I quote your exact words):

"you have rubbished most peoples attempts at providing a solution to the problem but not been brave enough to supply your own."

Now I don't know about you, but where *I* come from, saying someone is "not brave enough" to do something does *not* equate with "good grace", but, rather, has the implication of "cowardice"!

You are not having a reasoned debate. You ask me to learn. I should advise you learn the differnence between debate/argument and contradiction

Sigh, Pierre, I really don't know if I can be bothered to waste more time with this. If you cannot *see* or learn(!) the difference between my raising points to counter yours and someone just "yes it is! No it isn't" then I really consider there being little purpose in carrying on.

[Pierre]

In which case, I suggest you go back and take another look at post #113

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/s...4&postcount=113

Where I said:

"I have the right to object to a course or policy *without* needing to solve the problem as the price of that objection."

It seems you did not read carefully enough.

??????? Me not read it carefully??????????

I'll explain again for the hard of thinking. In my post about 3 or previous I said.

Quote:
I have the right to object to a course or policy *without* needing to solve the problem as the price of that objection.


Another one of your quotes, which sums up the way you responded to most things on in this thread. You object and belittle a lot of posts and yet come up with nothing yourself.

That was my point you are arguing without coming up with a solution yourself, anyone can "object" but if you just "object" without offering a differing alternative to the point placed in front of you, you are not really engaging in an intelligent discussion are you.

I say again my quote from the earlier post:

1st person †œI think we should go after Al-Qaeda and use our military/intelligence to intercept them before they launch an attack on the UK mainlandââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ�

2nd person †œ I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t think we shouldââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ�

1st Person †œOK, what do you think we should doâ₠¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â�

2nd Person †œI donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have to have a different solution to object to your ideaââ‚ ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�

1st Person †œGood point, letââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s go for a pint and forget aboutââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�

And finally

If you cannot *see* or learn(!) the difference between my raising points to counter yours

When will you learn that:

I have the right to object to a course or policy *without* needing to solve the problem

is not really a counter point is it.

I don't about you being tired of this, I certainly am.

Originally Posted by Pierre

??????? Me not read it carefully??????????

I'll explain again for the hard of thinking.

Oh dear, more "reasoned debate".

You are now no longer even discussing the *issue* this thread is about, you have caused it to degenerate into an attack on my postings and I cannot be bothered to waste time explaining again matters that I have already covered.

[Pierre]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
??????? Me not read it carefully??????????

I'll explain again for the hard of thinking.


Oh dear, more "reasoned debate".

You are now no longer even discussing the *issue* this thread is about, you have caused it to degenerate into an attack on my postings and I cannot be bothered to waste time explaining again matters that I have already covered.

Suit yourself. Although I believe you have acted masterfully in evading my questions that I have put to you time and again.

The thing is you "haven't explained matters that you have already covered" if you had I wouldn't keep asking. Using the excuse that "I" have degenerated the thread is quite laughable.

And therefore I can take it that apart from "letting the muslim community sort out the Al-qaeda themselves" you have no other options to remedy this problem.

As that is the simple question I have been asking you to answer for the past few days, you haven't answered it and you continue to not answer it.

Originally Posted by Pierre

therefore I can take it that apart from "letting the muslim community sort out the Al-qaeda themselves" you have no other options to remedy this problem

You may take it in any way you want, just as you have done with most everything else I have written.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

You are now no longer even discussing the *issue* this thread is about, you have caused it to degenerate into an attack on my postings and I cannot be bothered to waste time explaining again matters that I have already covered.

He does have a point Graham. We have had many similar arguments where you object to something but refuse to offer any real alternative solution. In addition, you usually also refuse to be pinned down on a variety of points, preferring to just sidestep the questions, or when that is not possible, rubbish/ridicule the question(er).

[Pierre]

He does have a point Graham. We have had many similar arguments where you object to something but refuse to offer any real alternative solution. In addition, you usually also refuse to be pinned down on a variety of points, preferring to just sidestep the questions, or when that is not possible, rubbish/ridicule the question(er).

Originally Posted by Ramrod

He does have a point Graham. We have had many similar arguments where you object to something but refuse to offer any real alternative solution. In addition, you usually also refuse to be pinned down on a variety of points, preferring to just sidestep the questions, or when that is not possible, rubbish/ridicule the question(er).

You're probably right, but before I address that, on the last point I will comment that I only rubbish or ridicule someone's *points* and *NOT* the person, and will only do so if those points *are* rubbish or ridiculous.

So the question then becomes, do you or Pierre *really* understand the nature of discussion and debate?

And I think given what you have said above and he has said in other messages (and the fact that I note, from a subsequent message, he agrees with you), the answer is "no".

However that's a discussion for another debate.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

You're probably right, but before I address that, on the last point I will comment that I only rubbish or ridicule someone's *points* and *NOT* the person, and will only do so if those points *are* rubbish or ridiculous.

In your opinion...

So the question then becomes, do you or Pierre *really* understand the nature of discussion and debate?

...and your doing it again

...but you're right, it is a topic for another thread

[Pierre]

So the question then becomes, do you or Pierre *really* understand the nature of discussion and debate?

In your world - obviously not

Originally Posted by Ramrod

...and your doing it again

Jehovah!!

Originally Posted by Pierre

In your world - obviously not

And another personal attack...

[Pierre]

And another personal attack...

You're very touchy. Not at all.

You alleged:

So the question then becomes, do you or Pierre *really* understand the nature of discussion and debate?

And I think given what you have said above and he has said in other messages (and the fact that I note, from a subsequent message, he agrees with you), the answer is "no".

I simply responded that in my opinion for you to come that conclusion you must be deluded.

No more an "attack" on you than your "attack" on me

[TigaSefi]

In someone's very famous saying or not .... "Answer the question"