when does the education start ?

Originally Posted by Graham

And how, exactly , do you propose to reduce or eliminate that "intolerance" if children are *not* taught that it is acceptable and *should* be tolerated?

I dont. Is the simple answer. Nothing that concerns nor bothers me. Quite frankly I dont give a damn. If we accept same sex couples it will only be a matter of time before we have to accept somehting else to make this world abetter place. Accepting same sex couples will not make this world a better place. Let them get on with, and stop telling people they must accept them.

Not that long ago it would have been unconscionable, if not illegal in some places for a mixed-race couple to form a relationship. However people have stood up and *fought* against that sort of bigotry and prejudice and now (in most places) these couples can walk down the street openly.

Yeah and although they can walk down the street openly it does not stop peoples prejudice, it doesnt stop racism does it?

Gay relationships *are* becoming tolerated, but only because children are learning more and more that they're perfectly acceptable and reasonable, despite a bigotted minority who want to perpetuate old hatreds.

Yhen I am one of the biggotted minority, even though I accept that its peoples circumstances that dictate this (along with the fact I simply couldnt give two fecking hoots about who was gay and who wasnt ((because I have other more important things to worry about such as how the pips get inside an apple)) ), I still dont think its right. Same sex couples cannot pro-create, and pro-creation is the ultimate aim of humans just like EVERY other species of animal.

I tolerate, I dont victimise yet I get told I am biggotted because as a hetrosexual I believe its wrong. Forcing people to accept homosexuality isnt right either.

I'm bowing out of this thread now, people know what my feelings are as I expressed them in the last gay thread on here.

To those that want to attack what I believe and feel.......what makes your views so rightious and all important huh?

But is that just *your* prejudices showing???

No

Once again anyone who dares to say they don't support someone elses view of the world is labelled as "intollerant" or "biggoted". The only "intollerant" people I see are those people who think only their views are correct and everyone who disagrees is a "biggot".

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

And how, exactly , do you propose to reduce or eliminate that "intolerance" if children are *not* taught that it is acceptable and *should* be tolerated?

Ah, so your attitude is "I'm all right, Jack". Prejudice and bigotry are entirely acceptable to you provided they don't affect you...

Gosh, what a nice person you are.

If we accept same sex couples it will only be a matter of time before we have to accept somehting else to make this world abetter place. Accepting same sex couples will not make this world a better place. Let them get on with, and stop telling people they must accept them.

What are you *ON*??

*Not* accepting someone simply because they're the wrong race/ colour/ creed/ sexuality does *NOT* make the world a better place! Telling people, especially children, that this sort of bigotry is *acceptable* will only make the problem worse, not better.

Yeah and although they can walk down the street openly it does not stop peoples prejudice, it doesnt stop racism does it?

Well, no, because there are people like *YOU* out there who go "it's not my problem, I don't think we should tell people that that they should accept others even though they're different" and thus implicitly *condone* that sort of behaviour.

Yhen I am one of the biggotted minority,

Hmm, are you...? Let's see...

even though I accept that its peoples circumstances that dictate this (along with the fact I simply couldnt give two fecking hoots about who was gay and who wasnt ((because I have other more important things to worry about such as how the pips get inside an apple)) ), I still dont think its right. Same sex couples cannot pro-create, and pro-creation is the ultimate aim of humans just like EVERY other species of animal.

Yes, I think you're right and you sum up your bigotry quite nicely here.

I tolerate,

No, you *ignore*.

I dont victimise

You do, because you are content to *ignore* the problem.

yet I get told I am biggotted because as a hetrosexual I believe its wrong. Forcing people to accept homosexuality isnt right either.

Telling people there is nothing wrong with it is *NOT* the same as "forcing them to accept it".

You or they do not have to participate in it, but *neither* should you cross over to the other side of the street...!

To those that want to attack what I believe and feel.......what makes your views so rightious and all important huh?

If you have to ask the question in the first place, it's just evident that your prejudicies blind you to the facts.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by pem

Once again anyone who dares to say they don't support someone elses view of the world is labelled as "intollerant" or "biggoted". The only "intollerant" people I see are those people who think only their views are correct and everyone who disagrees is a "biggot".

I don't think that they are automatically labelled as intollerant etc. I think that other people find it hard to except the reasons why they take that opinion.

I can't understand why so many Americans are so dead against gay marriage. I listen to the reasons but to me they sound, flawed and flimsy at best. Which leads me to think they have a prejudice which is making them see reason when it's not there. Equally it could be myself that is the prejudiced one.

In these situations it's hard not to resort to words like biggot, because its like having a theist V atheist argument without insulting one another. And we all know how hard that is

Remember we dont live in an ideal world, homosexuality is still considered to be wrong by many people. And most kids would love to have ammunition to call the "weird" kid a ******.

Kids make their own ammunition these days, it doesn't matter if it's true or not

[Graham F]

People accept things that they are brought up with. So the sooner that people experience/are exposed to these 'taboo' things the better IMO

I cant resist this.

Why should people accept same sex couples adopting children?

Graham as ignorant as you think I am I will still beg to differ. The fact I dont care and the fact I am not in the slightest bit concerned over who is gay and who isnt has not a damn thing to do with anything.
By your reckoning I am making things worse by doing nothing.

If thats the case why arent you doing anything about womens rights in Afghanistan? Why arent you actively campaigning for human rights in China?

Why? because it doesnt affect you. Same as who is or isnt gay does not affect me. I couldnt care less if you were gay had 3 legs and 100 eyes. I have more things to worry about than someones sexuality.

That said, I still dont think its something that should be openly declared. You dont see me walking down the street making a scene because I am hetrosexual do you? no I simply get on with. You dont see me bitchin because I have no legal rights to see my own son do you? no I get on with it. I look out for my family instead of trying to right all the wrongs in the world.

Simply put I disagree with same sex couples adopting children. I dont abuse homosexual people and I often enjoy nights out with the homosexual friends I have both male and female, their views on the subject? if they wanted to have kids they wouldnt be gay.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Why should people accept same sex couples adopting children?

Why shouldn't they?

Originally Posted by downquark1

Why shouldn't they?

Because some people are not quite ready to welcome homosexuality with open arms. And no one here has stopped to consider the damage it MAY do to the children in the long term.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Because some people are not quite ready to welcome homosexuality with open arms. And no one here has stopped to consider the damage it MAY do to the children in the long term.

Well, if I'm not ready to allow women in the work place, should I be forced to?

She MAY do damage to my business, destract men, take more leave, maternity leave, get emotional during office hours. etc.



Just so you know I'm not being serious

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I cant resist this.


Simply put I disagree with same sex couples adopting children. I dont abuse homosexual people and I often enjoy nights out with the homosexual friends I have both male and female, their views on the subject? if they wanted to have kids they wouldnt be gay.

Hmm thats a crock of sh*t - so to have children you shouldn't be gay? - a homosexual couple can give the same love to a child as a heterosexual couple - bringing up kids does not involve a parents sexuality!

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Hmm thats a crock of sh*t - so to have children you shouldn't be gay? - a homosexual couple can give the same love to a child as a heterosexual couple - bringing up kids does not involve a parents sexuality!

So you are now discounting the views of people that are gay and are directly affected by this.......hmmmm interesting.


Why is it those that preach tolerance are the most intolerant towards others with differing beliefs?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

So you are now discounting the views of people that are gay and are directly affected by this.......hmmmm interesting.


Why is it those that preach tolerance are the most intolerant towards others with differing beliefs?

that is very profound - got me thinking, anyway, thanks

Originally Posted by homealone

that is very profound - got me thinking, anyway, thanks

Cheers

I'm not here to stir up a hornets nest just to offer an balance and an insight into the "other" side.

[Jerrek]

As a parent I have the full right to decide what I want my children to be taught. If the parents decide this is unacceptable, they have final say. I must say, I will also have major problems with this.

Society is NOT responsible for my children's education. I am. Society has NO say what I have to teach my children.

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Hmm thats a crock of sh*t - so to have children you shouldn't be gay? - a homosexual couple can give the same love to a child as a heterosexual couple - bringing up kids does not involve a parents sexuality!

Well last time I checked with mother nature the natural order for human beings was for a childs parents to be male & female - I believe it is quite difficult for two males or two females of the species to have offspring.