Gay channel

Whether we believe being gay is right or wrong has nothing to do with the topic at hand, the main question asked was that a gay channel was coming to sky and was it possibly coming to NTL.

[Alanmelon]

Originally Posted by zendawn

Well that's a whole nother thread, but just cuz NTL is a business doesnt mean they can shirt their social responsibilities too. Banks and shops are businesses too but with the disability discrimination act they have to make shops wheel chair accessible

I find it hard to describe the provision of a gay channel a social responsibility, and comparing it to provision of important facilities to allow disabled people to conduct their lives in as normal a manner as possible is a little rich.
Are you trying to say that being gay is an impairment which has to be catered for?

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by gohadz

Ok, so what you are saying is just take it that my mum is a lesbian, take it that my dad is currently suicidal, take it that it only happened 3 months ago, take it that i have no one to turn to, yes i can just get over that in that short space of time, IM HUMAN FFS, i have feelings here, i currently believe that, i probably wont have such strong feeling like that in about a year.

My friends know how i feel about homosexuality, they haven't said anything about it because they understand what i have been through, and before you ask some of them are gay.

All i have to say is sorry for the offence i have caused but you have to realise that there are people who have been through things which would cause them to feel like they do.

Fine I understand your problem, but you come on this board and spout what you said and expect me not to take offence when you are stating that I am wrong for being what I am? I am not someone who will sit back and take things quietly, I don't see why I should. I understand about divorce and everyting else, my dad went through the samethings, I had no one to turn to but I got through it, even though I was told by my mum I am the biggest mistake she ever made and she wished I had died at birth - but I got through it - and I certainly did not come on a board and point out I hate people who commit adultery!

Anyways this thread is not about whats right and wrong its about the non carrieage of a channel

[gohadz]

Originally Posted by zendawn

There are plenty of hetero marrages destroyed by other women/men but then you are against sex outside marrage too??

Ah touche. Well i know i'm not a fundamentalist catholic, but there are some thigns that a agree with, atm this just happens to be one of those that i agree with.

I just keep digging a hole here dont i

[gohadz]

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Fine I understand your problem, but you come on this board and spout what you said and expect me not to take offence when you are stating that I am wrong for being what I am? I am not someone who will sit back and take things quietly, I don't see why I should. I understand about divorce and everyting else, my dad went through the samethings, I had no one to turn to but I got through it, even though I was told by my mum I am the biggest mistake she ever made and she wished I had died at birth - but I got through it - and I certainly did not come on a board and point out I hate people who commit adultery!

Anyways this thread is not about whats right and wrong its about the non carrieage of a channel

Yes, i think i would definantly shut up now, ill understand if i get banned for it (i deserve it) but anyway i wont let my feelings like that get shown on a thread thats about channel carriage!

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by gohadz

I feel that the less of this stuff the better, it is disgusting and it ruins familes (namely mine). That is why i feel like this, it basically ruined my life and my family, it is immoral and wrong, it is not pro-creative, which is what we are meant to be here for.

I say if a gay channel of any form comes on ntl, then i'm boycotting ntl. Yeh so some gay people will be annoyed, well f*** them, go to sky if you want your gay entertainment, keep ntl gay free, heck get rid of pr0n all together on ntl, its degrading to males and females in it.

(PS i am catholic before and these are my beliefs, dont go calling me names)

Thats not saying i hate gay people however, if anything they are the nicest people on the planet, but i would prefer if what the get up to in their own time stays behind closed doors

Hey mate im Catholic too. But thank god i have my own opinions and can think for myself.

That's the most hilarious post ive read in ages. At least you have come out and said it, instead of dressing it up ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Alanmelon

I find it hard to describe the provision of a gay channel a social responsibility, and comparing it to provision of important facilities to allow disabled people to conduct their lives in as normal a manner as possible is a little rich.
Are you trying to say that being gay is an impairment which has to be catered for?

Hum nice try at twisting my words.
The deaf channel argument is seperate from the gay channel argument.
Of course being gay isnt an impairment but it is a social minority that is big enough to deserve some sort of channel IMHO.

Whether we believe being gay is right or wrong has nothing to do with the topic at hand, the main question asked was that a gay channel was coming to sky and was it possibly coming to NTL.

Just incase people missed it!!!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by zendawn

Well that's a whole nother thread, but just cuz NTL is a business doesnt mean they can shirt their social responsibilities too. Banks and shops are businesses too but with the disability discrimination act they have to make shops wheel chair accessable.

The disability discrimination act was (AFAIK) drafted because disabled people were having trouble going back to work, and were also unable to go to many places (including Banks and Shops which could be considered a necessary part of life). Sorry, but I do not think not having a TV channel is in the same league as this.

NTL, TELEWEST and sky are monopoly (sp?) suppliers of the media, are should not be using the economic argument to support the non showing of minority broadcasts.

Sky already are providing Gay channels. Maybe part of the reason NTL don't carry Gay channels is because those channels don't want to be carried on NTL (Sam B has already said that). Maybe I am missing the point, but couldn't having your own channel be classed as discrimination? Isn't that a bad thing?

Edit: Just to make it clear, I am not against Gay channels. Just trying to found out why they are needed.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Mick

Whether we believe being gay is right or wrong has nothing to do with the topic at hand, the main question asked was that a gay channel was coming to sky and was it possibly coming to NTL.

Yes your right assuming NTL arn't against it for homophobic reasons.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by scastle

Sky already are providing Gay channels. Maybe part of the reason NTL don't carry Gay channels is because those channels don't want to be carried on NTL (Sam B has already said that). Maybe I am missing the point, but couldn't having your own channel be classed as discrimination? Isn't that a bad thing?

Edit: Just to make it clear, I am not against Gay channels. Just trying to found out why they are needed.

Same here just trying to figure out why they WOULDNT need one.

I'm more in support of minority programming than a gay channel in particular.
And I still say that minority channels should be shown as a social responsibility rather than as an economic viability.

[Alanmelon]

Originally Posted by zendawn

Yes your right assuming NTL arn't against it for homophobic reasons.

Ok, so we've heard a few ridiculous suggestions about satanists and other minority groups not being catered for, and I think we all agree that homosexuals constitute a large sized group in the UK, but using your reasoning are we also to assume that ntl are prejudiced against other groups of equal or greater size?
We don't have a disabled persons channel, does that mean that ntl are also discriminating against this group? As mentioned so many times already; there is absolutely no evidence that ntl are not carrying a gay channel on the basis of discrimination.

And I still say that minority channels should be shown as a social responsibility rather than as an economic viability.

So would ntl then have the responsibilty to foot the bill for all programming on this minority channel as well as it's free carriage, or is that someone else's 'social responsibility'? If so, who's?

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Alanmelon

Ok, so we've heard a few ridiculous suggestions about satanists and other minority groups not being catered for, and I think we all agree that homosexuals constitute a large sized group in the UK, but using your reasoning are we also to assume that ntl are prejudiced against other groups of equal or greater size?
We don't have a disabled persons channel, does that mean that ntl are also discriminating against this group? As mentioned so many times already; there is absolutely no evidence that ntl are not carrying a gay channel on the basis of discrimination.

So would ntl then have the responsibilty to foot the bill for all programming on this minority channel as well as it's free carriage, or is that someone else's 'social responsibility'? If so, who's?

Unfortunatly (for me) we live in a society where the media is owned by whoever has the money to own it. If the person or persons who own it, are predudiced against a certain section of society they can refuse to show related media or more importantly put up barriers to their inclusion (like econiomic ones to hide their predudice).

As a way of protecting against this, people who own the media should have some responsibitly in law for showing minority related media. The cost of which should be taken up by the media owner.

[Tristan]

Um... has anybody actually checked if any gay channels actually *want* carriage on cable?

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Tristan

Um... has anybody actually checked if any gay channels actually *want* carriage on cable?

Oh that would be too rational, we're just debating for the fun of it.
Facts just get in the way.

LOL