Gay channel

Originally Posted by Russ D

The statistics tell us that homosexuals are in the (numerical) minority - until new evidence tell us otherwise, they remain a 'minority'.

Its statistical nonsense Russ. Who does the statistics? Does someone go round with a clipboard and go round and knock on every door and ask the occupants if they are gay or straight? Yeah course they do.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by Russ D

The statistics tell us that homosexuals are in the (numerical) minority - until new evidence tell us otherwise, they remain a 'minority'.

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You're missing the point - such channels needs to be econimically viable - if the interest is not percieved to be there, NTL simply won't buy in to a channel they feel they won't make money from.

No I'm not missing the point, I'm sure there are plenty of channels that are non profit making that NTL could or are showing. NTL are just using the economic argument as a cop out.

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by gohadz

I feel that the less of this stuff the better, it is disgusting and it ruins familes (namely mine). That is why i am strongly against homosexuality, it basically ruined my life and my family, it is immoral and wrong, it is not pro-creative, which is what we are meant to be here for.

I say if a gay channel of any form comes on ntl, then i'm boycotting ntl. Yeh so some gay people will be annoyed, well f*** them, go to sky if you want your gay entertainment, keep ntl gay free, heck get rid of pr0n all together on ntl, its degrading to males and females in it.

(PS i am catholic before and these are my beliefs, dont go calling me names)

Excuse me where do you get off saying all that? I am catholic myself and yes I am gay, if you're catholic you will know God loves anyone no matter what and God doesn't judge so it certainly doesn't mean you have the right to judge.

[bigitup_j]

let's not get religion involved with this topic!
my god, if we do then pages will increase from 8 to 80!!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by zendawn

Well the old 'I'm not homophobic but..' ploy won't wash. Just because there isn't a demand doesnt mean they shouldnt show a gay lifestyle channel. The horse racing channels may have some demand, but there are pleanty of animal rights activists who would not like that sort of channel on the system.

Why should NTL show a Gay channel if there is no demand? NTL are a business. They carry channels to make money. If there is no demand, they will not make money.

And, yes, "I'm not homophobic" (I actually do have gay friends). Prove to NTL there is a demand for these channels, and they might add them.

But, as orangebird asked a while back, what is different on a gay channel? Surely gay people should be better represented on mainstream channels rather than being shoved off to their own channel?

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by gohadz

I feel that the less of this stuff the better, it is disgusting and it ruins familes (namely mine). That is why i feel like this, it basically ruined my life and my family, it is immoral and wrong, it is not pro-creative, which is what we are meant to be here for.

I say if a gay channel of any form comes on ntl, then i'm boycotting ntl. Yeh so some gay people will be annoyed, well f*** them, go to sky if you want your gay entertainment, keep ntl gay free, heck get rid of pr0n all together on ntl, its degrading to males and females in it.

(PS i am catholic before and these are my beliefs, dont go calling me names)

Thats not saying i hate gay people however, if anything they are the nicest people on the planet, but i would prefer if what the get up to in their own time stays behind closed doors

Oh how i love fascists like ths. 'Gays are the scouge of society' et all.

You make me laff.

Back to the dark ages with ya.

[LostintheNW]

I agree bigitup, just wanted to get my point across and reply to that bigots comments!! its comments like that which make it hard for anyone who is dealing with coming out to actually come out!

[gohadz]

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Excuse me where do you get off saying all that? I am catholic myself and yes I am gay, if you're catholic you will know God loves anyone no matter what and God doesn't judge so it certainly doesn't mean you have the right to judge.

Excuse me, if you read my post properly you would've seen that it ruined my family, which created a divorce, what in that is allowed in the catholic church? nothing, now, it is also said that any relationship that is not procreative is wrong, although i dont fully agree with that statement, many people have problems in that area etc, it is 100% clear that homosexuality is not liked in th catholic church, and also God does judge us when we die, he doesn't judge us while we live, thats for people to do.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by zendawn

No I'm not missing the point, I'm sure there are plenty of channels that are non profit making that NTL could or are showing. NTL are just using the economic argument as a cop out.

Err. the only one channel I can think of that is non profit making is the Local channel (which, I believe NTL are required to carry by law).

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by gohadz

Excuse me, if you read my post properly you would've seen that it ruined my family, which created a divorce, what in that is allowed in the catholic church? nothing, now, it is also said that any relationship that is not procreative is wrong, although i dont fully agree with that statement, many people have problems in that area etc, it is 100% clear that homosexuality is not liked in th catholic church, and also God does judge us when we die, he doesn't judge us while we live, thats for people to do.

I read your post and I still stand by what i said, and its not for people to judge actually. Get over it lots of famillies end up in divorce, mine has but I am not bitter about it - get over it move on for ****sake!

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by scastle

Why should NTL show a Gay channel if there is no demand? NTL are a business. They carry channels to make money. If there is no demand, they will not make money.
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Well that's a whole nother thread, but just cuz NTL is a business doesnt mean they can shirt their social responsibilities too. Banks and shops are businesses too but with the disability discrimination act they have to make shops wheel chair accessable.

NTL, TELEWEST and sky are monopoly (sp?) suppliers of the media, are should not be using the economic argument to support the non showing of minority broadcasts.

[gohadz]

Originally Posted by zendawn

Oh how i love fascists like ths. 'Gays are the scouge of society' et all.

You make me laff.

Back to the dark ages with ya.

So every devoted catholic is a fascist? I think not, and where did i say 'Gays are the scouge of society'? exactly i didn't.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by scastle

Err. the only one channel I can think of that is non profit making is the Local channel (which, I believe NTL are required to carry by law).

Yes and I wonder if they'd still be showing it, if it wasnt for the law??

My point being that minority programming by its nature, is not profit making because its a minority viewing it.

[gohadz]

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

I read your post and I still stand by what i said, and its not for people to judge actually. Get over it lots of famillies end up in divorce, mine has but I am not bitter about it - get over it move on for ****sake!

Ok, so what you are saying is just take it that my mum is a lesbian, take it that my dad is currently suicidal, take it that it only happened 3 months ago, take it that i have no one to turn to, yes i can just get over that in that short space of time, IM HUMAN FFS, i have feelings here, i currently believe that, i probably wont have such strong feeling like that in about a year.

My friends know how i feel about homosexuality, they haven't said anything about it because they understand what i have been through, and before you ask some of them are gay.

All i have to say is sorry for the offence i have caused but you have to realise that there are people who have been through things which would cause them to feel like they do.

[zendawn]

Originally Posted by gohadz

So every devoted catholic is a fascist? I think not, and where did i say 'Gays are the scouge of society'? exactly i didn't.

Yes devoted (fundamentalist) catholics are fascists in my vocab.
I was paraphrasing your 'gays detroyed my life' sentance.
There are plenty of hetero marrages destroyed by other women/men but then you are against sex outside marrage too??