bottled water...

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Ok YOU arg errr...discuss about water,I'm off to find a slightly more riveting subject.

May I suggest the clingfilm thread?

Originally Posted by danielf

May I suggest the clingfilm thread?

Actually it wasn't mainly about clingfilm it was supposed to be about inventions that were more trouble than they were worth.Maybe I can get some sensible answers now you are discussing water and it's merits.

[Julian]

I live in a hard water area. The tap water is fine for drinking... but you cannot create any lather for washing etc. Also the calcium knackers your washing machine, dishwasher, central heating system etc.

I fitted a water softener to soften the water for those things to do with washing/central heating, leaving unsoftened water available for drinking and outside taps. I do use a Brita water filter for the water that goes into the kettle.

Earlier in the thread it was said that salt softens the water... not as far as I know... the saline solution is used to clean the softener during its recharge cycle not to actually soften the water itself.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Actually it wasn't mainly about clingfilm it was supposed to be about inventions that were more trouble than they were worth.Maybe I can get some sensible answers now you are discussing water and it's merits.

Sensible answers about inventions that are more trouble than they are worth? At the risk of going off-topic, I would have to say that the super clingfilm called shrink wrap is very high on my list...

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by danielf

Are you trying to say that the water you guys get comes straight out of the ground and is not purified at all?

Round here tap water is perfectly usable for drinking/bathing/watering the lawn. Filtering and softening the water for bathing would be considered very odd...

No, its purified to some sorts, but not a lot. There is no need to recycle water here. We have more lakes and rivers than anywhere else.

I believe the water is chloronated and fluoride is added, but it doesn't mean it is healthy. You can drink the water and bath in it, but err.... After three months you'll see the calcium deposits on the shower curtains.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by scastle

Kronas, you cannot guarantee the safety of bottled water either. And, has been proved recently by Coca Cola, you can't guarantee you aren't getting tap water any way.

What do you drink?

Hmm perhaps... But the water we buy is distilled, guaranteed. It even tastes like it... (or rather, no taste...)

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Julian

I live in a hard water area. The tap water is fine for drinking... but you cannot create any lather for washing etc. Also the calcium knackers your washing machine, dishwasher, central heating system etc.

I fitted a water softener to soften the water for those things to do with washing/central heating, leaving unsoftened water available for drinking and outside taps. I do use a Brita water filter for the water that goes into the kettle.

Earlier in the thread it was said that salt softens the water... not as far as I know... the saline solution is used to clean the softener during its recharge cycle not to actually soften the water itself.

Is softened water safe to drink?

A water softener cannot remove microbiological contaminants that cause illness and should only be used to treat drinking water that is considered to be microbiologically safe.

Water softeners replace "hard" minerals with "soft" minerals such as sodium. The fact that sodium chloride (a salt) is used to soften water raises a concern about the potential health risks for those persons suffering from hypertension, kidney disease or congestive heart failure.

As the incidence of hypertension increases and the number of individuals on sodium-restricted diets rises, water softener manufacturing companies have begun to promote the use of potassium chloride as a safe alternative to sodium chloride. However, potential health risks are also a concern where potassium chloride (also a salt) is used to soften water.

Water containing high levels of sodium or potassium should not be used for drinking, making coffee, juice, infant formula or for cooking.

If you do not want this additional sodium or potassium in your diet, or if you are on a medically prescribed diet, a separate cold water line and faucet can be installed which bypasses the water softener. This allows for drinking and cooking with unsoftened cold water.

http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...abhose_066.cfm

[zoombini]

Its not called paranoia! Have you ever seen a report on your tap water?
You can get them from your water supplier & they have to provide them.
I got one a few years ago when I was into the filter buisness.

It shows just how much "poo" is in it, and its there.

Tap water may be nice & drinkable in some areas but in many it is only fit for flushing down the toilet.

If you can afford the constant replacements & upkeep then fitting a filter is a good move, removing all those unwanted bugs & the muck thats in it. Some even get such nice water that when they put it in a glass it looks like sludge!

[Julian]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Is softened water safe to drink?

A water softener cannot remove microbiological contaminants that cause illness and should only be used to treat drinking water that is considered to be microbiologically safe.

Water softeners replace "hard" minerals with "soft" minerals such as sodium. The fact that sodium chloride (a salt) is used to soften water raises a concern about the potential health risks for those persons suffering from hypertension, kidney disease or congestive heart failure.

As the incidence of hypertension increases and the number of individuals on sodium-restricted diets rises, water softener manufacturing companies have begun to promote the use of potassium chloride as a safe alternative to sodium chloride. However, potential health risks are also a concern where potassium chloride (also a salt) is used to soften water.

Water containing high levels of sodium or potassium should not be used for drinking, making coffee, juice, infant formula or for cooking.

If you do not want this additional sodium or potassium in your diet, or if you are on a medically prescribed diet, a separate cold water line and faucet can be installed which bypasses the water softener. This allows for drinking and cooking with unsoftened cold water.

http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...abhose_066.cfm

Good, I was right then.

I have never used the softened water for drinking, only for cleaning etc.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Hmm perhaps... But the water we buy is distilled, guaranteed. It even tastes like it... (or rather, no taste...)

Yeah, but my question was seeing as Kronas doesn't seem to trust either Bottled or Tap water, what does he drink?

"If you go to American city,
"You will find it very pretty.
"Just two things you must beware...
"DON'T drink the water and DON'T breathe the air!"

- Tom Lehrer: Pollution

[SMHarman]

I assume this launch is in response to Aquafina. Again bottled tap water. Is this a marketing problem, or a bottled water problem. What would the press say if Thames were to launch Thames water in bottles? - waits for jokes about the quality of the water in the river Thames.

http://www.aquafina.com/home.htm

http://www.aquafina.com/faq.htm


Whatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s in Aquafina water?
Aquafina is non-carbonated, purified drinking water. Purity Guaranteed.

Contains: Purified water
Calories 0
Total Fats (g) 0
Sodium (mg) 0
Potassium (mg) 0
Total Carbohydrates (g) 0
Sugars (g) 0
Protein (g) 0
Caffeine (mg) 0

How does Aquafina purify its water?
Aquafina guarantees consistent purity and great taste by means of a state-of-the-art purification process that includes reverse osmosis. We give you water that's guaranteed to be pure. No added flavors or fizz. No added minerals, colors or unwanted impurities. These processes are what allow Pepsi-Cola Company to guarantee our consistent purity and great taste.

What is Reverse Osmosis?
Reverse osmosis (RO) utilizes semi-permeable membranes with smaller pore sizes than microfiltration, ultrafiltration and nanofiltration to remove unwanted impurities in the water. RO removes approximately 98% of dissolved solids, or ions (sodium, calcium, chloride, etc.), from the water source.

What is the history behind Aquafina?
Aquafina was introduced in Wichita, KS, in 1994 and reached national distribution in 1997. Since its debut, Aquafina has won over consumers with its great taste and purity. Aquafina is currently America's #1 selling bottled water brand in measured retail channels.

In what size bottles can I buy Aquafina water?
Aquafina is distributed nationwide and can be enjoyed in 16.9 oz, 20 oz, 24 oz, 1L and 1.5L bottles.

What sporting events does Aquafina sponsor?
Aquafina is the †œOfficial Bottled Waterââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ� of AVP Pro Beach Volleyball and the PGA of America (including the PGA Championship, PGA Grand Slam, U.S. Ryder Cup and Seniorsââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ Championship).

What are consumers looking for in bottled water?
Research shows what consumers want most in bottled water is consistent purity and crisp, clean refreshment. Aquafina is noncarbonated, purified drinking water, with purity guaranteed. No minerals are added.

Aquafina is a registered trademark of PepsiCo, Inc.

[ic14]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Aquafina is a registered trademark of PepsiCo, Inc.

ah guess that explains it! They didnt want Pepsi to make profits in a new area without some competion.

[Theodoric]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

but it is still not distilled is it

You need some definitions here.

If it's filtered, and you use the accepted definition of filtration, then all it will do is take out any particulate matter above a certain size.

If it's deionised then it will remove all ionic compounds such as sodium, magnesium, carbonate, chloride, sulphate and probably trace heavy metals, but not organic materials.

If you pass it through activated carbon it will remove a lot of the organics.

If you distil it, it should in theory, remove most things but something will be carried over as a slight amount of spray and also, I'd guess, any volatile organics plus any organics that can be steam distilled (aniline, for example, I think). Plus, it will soon absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere on standing.

I'm a bit vague about reverse osmosis but I think, offhand, that it should remove both ionic compounds and organics, but I stand ready to be corrected.

EDIT To head off any pedantic criticism from the likes of , oh, people like me, I realise that calling sodium ions etc compounds is wrong, wrong, wrong!

Originally Posted by SMHarman

What is Reverse Osmosis?

isnt that where you say something and someone translates it to OZZY speak for you?