Goodbye NTL, hello BT Broadband

[themelon]

Originally Posted by DrAwesome

I did post the info before but im having trouble finding the thread & post...

BT Standard day time charge is still 7.9p a minute

BT Standard Line Rental is £9.50 paid via DD you get £2.15 worth of free off peak calls making BT's line rental £7.35 a month. (providing you use up all your free call allowance each month)

you also get a free answering machine service 1571 to get this free just ask BT CS it takes about 24hrs to set up

From the 1st February 2004, customers will pay the standard line rental fee for additional lines on the same BT Together account.

BT also do call options pay more rental & your charged a cheaper rate for phone calls...

BT Together Option 1
Rental £11.50 inc vat per month by DD
Day Time 3p a minute inc vat
Evening & Weekends 6p up to an hour per call
(up to 1 hour per call - if you talk for over an hour, every extra minute is charged at 1p)

BT Together Option 2
Rental £17.50
Day Time 3p a minute
Evening & Weekends No charge
(up to 1 hour per call - if you talk for longer, every extra minute is charged at 1p)

BT Together Option 3
Rental £28.50
Day Time No charge
(up to 1 hour per call - if you talk for longer, every extra minute is charged at 3p)
Evening & Weekends No charge
(up to 1 hour per call - if you talk for longer, every extra minute is charged at 1p)

All BT Together Options also offer you:

5% off all calls you make to UK mobiles.

Reduced Evening & Weekend calls to our most popular international destinations

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Which is the cheapest NTL or BT? its swings & rounderbouts but i rekon the swing is more to the BT side depending on your phone usage.

To be honest I never knew about the free calls, but I would soon use up this allocation at 7.9p a minute, which would most likely render ntl cheaper in my circumstances.

I did used to have the 1571 service and found it pretty poor, I used to get random messages from strangers on a different number, it is free so you cant expect much. I prefer my built in answerphone!!

Also I never realised the +vat on option 1, what is that all about?? So basically they are saying Option 1 is 3.5p per minute daytime?

I have had numerous flyers from BT asking me to come back, stating that option 1 is cheaper than ntl for daytime calls. Mmmmm

The only fault with ntl is the connection charges, but a 10 minute daytime call on ntl or BT Option 1 would be exactly the same.

BT Standard (£9.50) -- 7.9p x10 = 79p!! ahhh!
BT Option 1 (£11.50 ) -- 3.5p x 10 = 35p
ntl 3-2-1 (£9.50) -- 3 x 10 +5 = 35p

I think BT does some very misleading adverts!! I wont be going back either way, because theres not a chance im changing my TV as I refuse outright to ever ever let a Sky man near my house again!! Which brings me on to ntls other fault.......why include the phone?? Im sure the would have a lot more TV customers if the phone wasnt bundled!!

[Chrysalis]

BT is defenitly cheaper for my usage pattern, my old bills averaged around £13 a month including line rental, this was for their Bt together package, now on NTL I pay the rental and my calls cost between 5-7 pounds a month on top of the line rental, this is for the basic ntl package.

[DrAwesome]

Originally Posted by themelon

To be honest I never knew about the free calls, but I would soon use up this allocation at 7.9p a minute, which would most likely render ntl cheaper in my circumstances.

I did used to have the 1571 service and found it pretty poor, I used to get random messages from strangers on a different number, it is free so you cant expect much. I prefer my built in answerphone!!

Also I never realised the +vat on option 1, what is that all about?? So basically they are saying Option 1 is 3.5p per minute daytime?

I have had numerous flyers from BT asking me to come back, stating that option 1 is cheaper than ntl for daytime calls. Mmmmm

The only fault with ntl is the connection charges, but a 10 minute daytime call on ntl or BT Option 1 would be exactly the same.

BT Standard (£9.50) -- 7.9p x10 = 79p!! ahhh!
BT Option 1 (£11.50 ) -- 3.5p x 10 = 35p
ntl 3-2-1 (£9.50) -- 3 x 10 +5 = 35p

I think BT does some very misleading adverts!! I wont be going back either way, because theres not a chance im changing my TV as I refuse outright to ever ever let a Sky man near my house again!! Which brings me on to ntls other fault.......why include the phone?? Im sure the would have a lot more TV customers if the phone wasnt bundled!!

BT have re-vamped their BT option web page again here is the Link that better explains the BT Together options of 1, 2 3

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by themelon

To be honest I never knew about the free calls, but I would soon use up this allocation at 7.9p a minute, which would most likely render ntl cheaper in my circumstances.

I did used to have the 1571 service and found it pretty poor, I used to get random messages from strangers on a different number, it is free so you cant expect much. I prefer my built in answerphone!!

Also I never realised the +vat on option 1, what is that all about?? So basically they are saying Option 1 is 3.5p per minute daytime?

I have had numerous flyers from BT asking me to come back, stating that option 1 is cheaper than ntl for daytime calls. Mmmmm

The only fault with ntl is the connection charges, but a 10 minute daytime call on ntl or BT Option 1 would be exactly the same.

BT Standard (£9.50) -- 7.9p x10 = 79p!! ahhh!
BT Option 1 (£11.50 ) -- 3.5p x 10 = 35p
ntl 3-2-1 (£9.50) -- 3 x 10 +5 = 35p

I think BT does some very misleading adverts!! I wont be going back either way, because theres not a chance im changing my TV as I refuse outright to ever ever let a Sky man near my house again!! Which brings me on to ntls other fault.......why include the phone?? Im sure the would have a lot more TV customers if the phone wasnt bundled!!

If you read the post that you quoted again you will see that the BT together option 1 daytime rate is 3p per minute INCLUDING vat. That makes BT 30p against 35p for NTL. It would also help a comparison if you compared like with like and compared BT Together option 1 with NTL talk unlimited which are both £11.50 per month and both have 6p per hour charges for evenings and weekends.

The main factor that is missing from your comparisons is that with a BT line you have a choice of provider which can mean call rates significantly lower than those of either BT or NTL.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

The main factor that is missing from your comparisons is that with a BT line you have a choice of provider which can mean call rates significantly lower than those of either BT or NTL.

For me that's the key, I pay only 1p per min during peak times (www.call18866.co.uk) and because I'm on the 6p per hour plan with BT I pay 1 tenth of a penny a minute off peak. Again I'm shafted by the 08 numbers, but lets hope of-com sort that one out soon

[Neil]

Originally Posted by dellwear

For me that's the key, I pay only 1p per min during peak times (www.call18866.co.uk) and because I'm on the 6p per hour plan with BT I pay 1 tenth of a penny a minute off peak. Again I'm shafted by the 08 numbers, but lets hope of-com sort that one out soon

Why wait for Ofcom?

http://djbnet.co.uk/tel/

Anyone else one the NTL low usage line rental scheme?

Not certain exactly what the figures are but line rental is no around about £7 a month. I cant actually understand an NTL bill so thats where the confusion lies, we were told that it would be £5 a month for line rental but that doesnt seem to have materialised but we do not pay £9.50.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by dellwear

For me that's the key, I pay only 1p per min during peak times (www.call18866.co.uk) and because I'm on the 6p per hour plan with BT I pay 1 tenth of a penny a minute off peak. Again I'm shafted by the 08 numbers, but lets hope of-com sort that one out soon

And if you're an ntl/Telewest customer then you can also ditch them (at least for international calls) and pay your money to these people: http://www.telediscount.co.uk/index2.php

I am a NTL or Telewest customer, can I use Telediscount?
Our access numbers can be used from most landlines including NTL or Telewest. The billing process for our access numbers works exactly the same as with BT; the charges will simply appear on your NTL or Telewest bill.

[themelon]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

If you read the post that you quoted again you will see that the BT together option 1 daytime rate is 3p per minute INCLUDING vat. That makes BT 30p against 35p for NTL. It would also help a comparison if you compared like with like and compared BT Together option 1 with NTL talk unlimited which are both £11.50 per month and both have 6p per hour charges for evenings and weekends.

The main factor that is missing from your comparisons is that with a BT line you have a choice of provider which can mean call rates significantly lower than those of either BT or NTL.

I was comapring like for like.......the £9.50 package, which is all i am interested in at the moment. On BT the £9.50 package would cost 7.9p a minute on a daytime call, on Ntl it would be 3p a minute plus a 5p connection charge.

What I was getting at with Option 1......If I paid and extra £2 a month for BT option 1, then I would still be paying roughly the same for daytime calls. I would need to make 40 connection charges to make the £2 worthwhile...which is unlikely!! I use the phone very little during the evenings so the 6p is neither here or there!!

I totally accept that there are other cheaper operators through a BT line, thats great, but the flyers I am getting are from BT not other companies and in my opinion they are open to debate when they say BT is cheaper because it isnt in all circumstances, so to the unsuspecting dimwit who is on the ntl £9.50 package which is a lot cheaper than the equivilent BT Pacakge....they will come back and get a big bill!! False advertising.

They should compare all packages on the flyers and say 'You can save with BT'

not

'Think ntl is cheaper than BT, Think Again'

Despite being incredibly patronising, that is a outright lie in certain circumsatnces. The 3-2-1 package is cheaper and the Talk Unlimited 24 package is cheaper. International Plans are cheaper for certain countries, Phones add ons are cheaper if brough in bulk, A second line is cheaper (half price)

I thought BT and no thanks.........

Yes other providers provide good deals on BT lines I accept that no problem, If I had to have a BT line I would definately use another provider no doubt.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Neil

Why wait for Ofcom?

http://djbnet.co.uk/tel/

Thats a dam good link too, but some of the companies I call just don't have a number listed

P.S. I've been trying to get hold of you Neil, but I can't find your e-mail addy to get you on MSN