a motherboard is no good but thanks anyway i got a asus p4g8x del ages ago and very happy with it
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stuartbe vbmenu_register("postmenu_137585", true); that would be fine infact i was looking at the little version of that (2 port sata) but it does not support ATA optical drives ...also the 4 port one does not support ATA channels just SATA but i could indeed get a converter

thansk for help so far guys