Bill Gates - Page 4

downquark1 · 04-02-2004, 19:06

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Please give me some facts of how the U.S.'s pollution has affected countries thousands of miles away.

I suppose the hole in the ozone layer around the poles is because penguins use deodorant

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Kyoto is a way of taking money from developed nations and giving it to third world countries. I'm not interested in such socialism. If Mexico, Indonesia, China, and India are exempt, then I don't see why we should join.

So if a bankrupt person can't pay back a loan, I guess the rich shouldn't either.

Jerrek · 04-02-2004, 19:11

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I suppose the hole in the ozone layer around the poles is because penguins use deodorant

It was because every nation on this planet used CFCs. And, after founding conclusive proof, the United States phased it out. Unlike countries such as Indonesia, who still uses CFCs.

So please.

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So if a bankrupt person can't pay back a loan, I guess the rich shouldn't either.

I don't understand what you're saying.

downquark1 · 04-02-2004, 19:20

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I don't understand what you're saying.

They were exempt because their economies couldn't handle the consequences. America's can.

If G W Bush was commited to the environment he would have proposed an alternative.

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It was because every nation on this planet used CFCs. And, after founding conclusive proof, the United States phased it out. Unlike countries such as Indonesia, who still uses CFCs.

You asked for an example, I gave it to you. If you wish I will further research the issue.

Of the top of my head, the laws of diffusion means any carbon dioxide 1 American breaths will eventually spread across the world. Same could be said about car emmissions.

Jerrek · 04-02-2004, 19:28

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They were exempt because their economies couldn't handle the consequences. America's can.

So we should go into negative growth for the next century, but China should maintain its 10% yearly growth?

**** no. You're nuts if you think anyone except Europeans will go for that. (Is Germany enjoying its negative growth??)

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If G W Bush was commited to the environment he would have proposed an alternative.

He did. Europeans didn't like it because it wasn't "invented" outside of America.

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Of the top of my head, the laws of diffusion means any carbon dioxide 1 American breaths will eventually spread across the world. Same could be said about car emmissions.

The atmosphere can handle it. Global Warming is a dream come true in Canada.

downquark1 · 04-02-2004, 19:44

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He did. Europeans didn't like it because it wasn't "invented" outside of America.

Neither did Al Gore, if I remember.

But hey, they don't count, they're liberals.

Jerrek · 04-02-2004, 20:11

Exactly. They're not the ruling party at the moment.

downquark1 · 04-02-2004, 20:34

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Exactly. They're not the ruling party at the moment.

So ultimately their opinion doesn't matter?
So you blame europe instead of other Americans who feel the same way?
If the democrats where in power would you want them to treat your opinions with the same respect and curtosy?

Stuart · 04-02-2004, 22:30

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I don't think I've said anything to the contrary.

You didn't directly contradict it. You did ask:

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And how is my pollution "harming" other people? Please explain.

I answered. I also pointed out that that pollution from cars has been linked with Asthma.

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Please give me some facts of how the U.S.'s pollution has affected countries thousands of miles away.

Well, I cannot provide facts for that. I did say that the pollution MAY affect other people. However, I found the following interesting snippet in the CIA world fact book..

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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

air pollution resulting in acid rain in both the US and Canada; the US is the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels; water pollution from runoff of pesticides and fertilizers; very limited natural fresh water resources in much of the western part of the country require careful management; desertification

So, in the name of Economics, you are busy buggering up your own country..

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That is not a 1.6L engine as your original bet.

No, it's not. It's still a darn sight more efficient than the Chevvy though.

**Maggy** · 04-02-2004, 22:43

Dull as I find car talk I can see the attraction over Bill Gates.

Marge · 04-02-2004, 22:48

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Dull as I find car talk I can see the attraction over Bill Gates.

Mmmmm, I think the 46 thousand million (if thats right

) has its benefits, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and rose coloured glasses certainly help to count all that cash

DrAwesome · 04-02-2004, 23:54

I wouldnt mind being a penny behind Bill Gates

Must be so nice... to be that financially comfortable.

I wonder what happened to the idea he had of putting a multitude of satellites in orbit around the earth so surfing would be quicker

Bifta · 04-02-2004, 23:58

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We'll pick a C4 from the 1980s. Lets spend say, $12,000.

Let's be fair about this, pick a new car, maximum budget 20 grand and we'll compare acceleration, fuel economy and top speed.

Jerrek · 05-02-2004, 00:35

No no no, you didn't say new car. Are you changing the terms of your bet now?

danielf · 05-02-2004, 00:45

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No no no, you didn't say new car. Are you changing the terms of your bet now?

Getting scared now?

Bifta · 05-02-2004, 00:55

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No no no, you didn't say new car. Are you changing the terms of your bet now?

Yes, but ok, I'll dig out an old second hand car, can't guarantee the literage as modern european and japanese engines are so much better nowadays. Give me a day or so and I'll dig something up.