Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Mal

I agree with you there. That's how I feel, I don't like people imposing their views on me. It tends to get the opposite reaction from me. I might even agree in principle, but I'll go opposite just because of the way the other person's presented their case.

ill take the persons view on board and think and give a sensible reply, i know religion means alot to people, but i get jumped at for questioning it, id rather be educated about diffarent religions, then remain ignorant i say that its all a 'fairy story' but i still want to know(sometimes) i can learn from it........

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Julian

S'ok you can do it later.

ok *hopes he remembers

Originally Posted by Julian

It's the reason why despite pressure from within the family I would not have my children christened. It would also be hypocritical to go through a "ceremony" involving commitments which I could not commit to.

i very much agree with your thinking very wise, just a question how would you feel if your child turned to islam or any other religion would it matter ?

Originally Posted by Julian

Unfortunately a christening seems more an excuse for a few drinks than a true understanding of the obligations undertaken at the time.

as with many situations the culture is to drink, and remember and be merry that IMO is wrong if you go to a persons funeral especially your family's often the words 'lets get a nice stiff drink down us' comes in or 'lets remember him by getting a drink ' and i think to myself what are these people doing, its a somber time and you should have time to think, take in your loss...........

[Mal]

Originally Posted by kronas

ill take the persons view on board and think and give a sensible reply, i know religion means alot to people, but i get jumped at for questioning it, id rather be educated about diffarent religions, then remain ignorant i say that its all a 'fairy story' but i still want to know(sometimes) i can learn from it........

With me, I get annoyed when I think that people are trying to tell me what I should believe in.

This is the first "religion" thread that I've posted in, as what I believe in is that everyone is entitled to their views/beliefs.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by kronas

i very much agree with your thinking very wise, just a question how would you feel if your child turned to islam or any other religion would it matter ?

I know this was posted to Julian, but I think if my child was happy and comfortable with choosing Islam then that would be okay with me.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by kronas

ok *hopes he remembers

i very much agree with your thinking very wise, just a question how would you feel if your child turned to islam or any other religion would it matter ?

It will be their choice Kronas, same as whether they choose to have boyfriends or girlfriends.

as with many situations the culture is to drink, and remember and be merry that IMO is wrong if you go to a persons funeral especially your family's often the words 'lets get a nice stiff drink down us' comes in or 'lets remember him by getting a drink ' and i think to myself what are these people doing, its a somber time and you should have time to think, take in your loss...........

For some the drink is a release I suppose. Trouble is reality is there in the morning.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Julian

It will be their choice Kronas, same as whether they choose to have boyfriends or girlfriends.

great we agree again

Originally Posted by Julian

For some the drink is a release I suppose. Trouble is reality is there in the morning.

i dont think there is a valid excuse for it, it can destroy you in the end especially being in a fragile mental state.

you can escape from it all for a few hours, but back in to reality you still have to deal with it.

[xaq141175]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It seems we aren't praying enough

anglican church isn't so focused on communal rituals, more on personal relationship with god than islam is ... i'm not sure i could hack praying 5 times a day ... seems a little obsessive to me.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It seems we aren't praying enough

I'm not surprised - Anglican often seem to view their weekly service as a chore.

It's the reason why despite pressure from within the family I would not have my children christened. It would also be hypocritical to go through a "ceremony" involving commitments which I could not commit to.

Indeed - why commit your children to something that they have no say in? Biblically it means nothing.

[swoop101]

Originally Posted by kronas

as with many situations the culture is to drink, and remember and be merry that IMO is wrong if you go to a persons funeral especially your family's often the words 'lets get a nice stiff drink down us' comes in or 'lets remember him by getting a drink ' and i think to myself what are these people doing, its a somber time and you should have time to think, take in your loss...........

In quite a few societies the idea is to celebrate the life of the departed.
I know of a number of people who left instructions that they were not to be mourned, but to be remembered with joy that they were loved by all.

I know that others feel completely the opposite.

In a previous job, when I got news that my Gran had passed away, a fellow worker who was an Indian gentleman could not believe that I did not want to go straight home to mourn the sad event. I explained to him that although I was very upset, there was nothing that I could do at that time and that I would join the family later in the day.
He then made the statement that ' The British people' had always fascinated him by our ability to carry on under the most trying of situations.

He meant it, and I took it, as a compliment.

OT i know but I thought it appropriate

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Nor

You know that islam is the fastest growing religion in the US after 9/11. Think its the fastest growing religion anywhere though.

On that note, this is very interesting reading. Changed my outlook a little

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

On that note, this is very interesting reading. Changed my outlook a little

Yes a VERY interesting article RR.

It does put things into perspective somewhat.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

On that note, this is very interesting reading. Changed my outlook a little

a interesting article indeed, it just shows the manipulation the media can portray, the reason islam is a fast growing religion is because of the structure of it, it represents/encourages peace not war, sadly as the article said a tarring of the same brush right across the board on muslims is inevitable.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Islam is a very tolerant religion, it's just that people (as with all religions) warp it into what they want.

Hmmm....very tolerant ??? (More interesting reading)

Originally Posted by Another Forum (apols B ;)

Quran:

[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall
make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We
will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement;
surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."

[22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire
will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their
heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too,
will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in
their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore
make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them.

[58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled
to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down
Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty

Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they
do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf
except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,
until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in
a state of subjection.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with
those who guard (against evil).

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this
world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah,
then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty
reward.

[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in
wait for them in every stratagem

Quran:
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes
them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not
guide the unjust people.

Terrorism is a logical outcome of putting the Qur'an into practice.

The Qur'an promotes permanent struggle against non-Muslims - or at
least until non-Muslims are converted to Islam, subjected to Islamic
authority, or killed. Below is a listing of relevant verses in the
Qur'an.

(Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay
them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are
Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty
tax(Q. 9: 29).

It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other
religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink
boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet
of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with
disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world
hereafter (Q.5: 34).

As for the disbelievers, it says that for them garments of fire
shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling
water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be
dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods
(Q. 22: 9).

Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells
clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q.3: 85).

It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:11),
calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28).

Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that
non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim
(Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28).

Quran asks the Muslims to strive against the unbelievers with
great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they
belong to hell (Q. 66: 9).

The holy Prophet demanded his follower to strike off the heads of
the disbelievers then after making a wide slaughter among them,
carefully tie up the remaining captives (Q. 47: 4).

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men
and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are
found disobedient (Q. 4:34).

It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to
their husbands (Q. 66:10).

It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228).

It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance
(Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that
their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282).

A woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless
she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry
up to four women and gave them permission to sleep with their slave
maids and as many captive women as they may have (Q. 4:3).
He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues
another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape
their women.

Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after
they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious
leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the
prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then
kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

[Ramrod]

All in the name of religion

[Flubflow]

I think Islam could do a lot more to distance itself from those radicals that give it a bad name. By the same token the Catholic and Protestant leaders in N.Ireland could also do a lot more to help stamp out sectarianism.
Just a thought.