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[Florence]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Hi Kitty

Sorry for that rant just had to get that off my chest

Hope your chest feels better now.

No need to apologise Bill I think I know you well enough now to know you would only want to help the customers for the best. Must admit I do like my SACM. Small neat leaves me more space on the desk for college books. Might not be able to monitor it through the router but still working on that front to get it working.

[Halva]

My brain is hurting. I thought I was computer literate until I tried to investigate a problem I've been having...

I'm in Warrington, which means, I believe, from reading through this thread, that I go through Baguely, which does have proxy servers enabled currently. Is that right?

I've done a traceroute on my own IP - I used the one at mailbox.net.uk, which gives this as the last 3 steps:

8 bagu-t2core-b-pos31.inet.ntl.com (62.253.188.30) 20.275 ms 20.26 ms 20.208 ms
9 bagu-t2cam1-b-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com (80.5.161.130) 20.052 ms 20.176 ms 19.944 ms
10 ubr01warr-ge20.inet.ntl.com (80.5.162.214) 21.828 ms 20.723 ms 21.4 ms

Can someone tell me what core and cam mean? I've noticed these mentioned before in the thread.

Also, how do I do the traceroute to http://www.ntlworld.com ? And would people recommend a certain website to do it from?

Also, I could do with educating myself a bit more - I know all these terms and what they indicate but I don't think I actually know exactly what traceroute means, for example. Is there a good introduction site somewhere by any chance?

Er... yeah, so there's the thick newbie post out of the way. Someone's going to point me to a really obvious FAQ I missed now, I can tell...

Halva

[rdhw]

Originally Posted by Halva

Can someone tell me what core and cam mean?

Core has its normal meaning: the central core router for the Baguley region. CAM = Cable Access Module (and DAM = Dialup Access Module, LAM = Leased-line Access Module).

how do I do the traceroute to http://www.ntlworld.com?

See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d...raceroute.html

[threadbare]

Originally Posted by Halva

My brain is hurting. I thought I was computer literate until I tried to investigate a problem I've been having...

I'm in Warrington, which means, I believe, from reading through this thread, that I go through Baguely, which does have proxy servers enabled currently. Is that right?

I've done a traceroute on my own IP - I used the one at mailbox.net.uk, which gives this as the last 3 steps:

8 bagu-t2core-b-pos31.inet.ntl.com (62.253.188.30) 20.275 ms 20.26 ms 20.208 ms
9 bagu-t2cam1-b-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com (80.5.161.130) 20.052 ms 20.176 ms 19.944 ms
10 ubr01warr-ge20.inet.ntl.com (80.5.162.214) 21.828 ms 20.723 ms 21.4 ms

Can someone tell me what core and cam mean? I've noticed these mentioned before in the thread.

Also, how do I do the traceroute to http://www.ntlworld.com ? And would people recommend a certain website to do it from?

Also, I could do with educating myself a bit more - I know all these terms and what they indicate but I don't think I actually know exactly what traceroute means, for example. Is there a good introduction site somewhere by any chance?

Er... yeah, so there's the thick newbie post out of the way. Someone's going to point me to a really obvious FAQ I missed now, I can tell...

Halva

tracert www.ntlworld.com

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

They cut down traffic from PoPs to network borders, which could be very important in the future should access rates increase substantially - they do make a difference, unless you have stats of bandwidth they save pem I don't think you can really comment - they cache images and can do streaming media as well, think of the savings there.

Of course I can comment I never said they don't make a difference - I said they arn't vital and they make less of a difference now that many sites are not static. I don't think many people use streaming media yet.

Do you have some bandwidth stats you can share with us to show one way or the other ?

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by pem

Of course I can comment I never said they don't make a difference - I said they arn't vital and they make less of a difference now that many sites are not static. I don't think many people use streaming media yet.

Do you have some bandwidth stats you can share with us to show one way or the other ?

Said stats would be commercially confidential - what sort of returns do you see from webcaches at Experian (if any exist?!).

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Said stats would be commercially confidential - what sort of returns do you see from webcaches at Experian (if any exist?!).

Thats a bit unfair not sharing stats then asking for other peoples stats, would have thought you would have some form of Benchmark.

If you look at the IEE website and search you might be able to find out some information.

PEM of course is correct and as said before the cost of maintainance contracts and intial provisioning of the equipment will be drivers in assessing the use of proxies.

Would have thought any company would have looked at this in the ISP field

[etccarmageddon]

do ADSL suppliers use proxies????

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Said stats would be commercially confidential - what sort of returns do you see from webcaches at Experian (if any exist?!).

Yes we do use them (but not for the same reasons - mainly for access control and content checking). However they are not run by my division and I am not aware of any stats from them.

[Ignition]

Methinks I'm going to leave this thread alone now, popular opinion seems to be that I'm either a) A liar, or b) An idiot, and members here seem to know more about ntl's operations than I do, and won't believe what I say without me breaking NDA and posting stats, which are right now none of your business. As you illustrated pem caches hit rate won't be public knowledge among your company, and you are IT meister - why should your ISP be any different? While complaining about your ISP it seems to be a common thing the demands for information - do you ask your electricity supplier where your electricity comes from, what power station generated it, do you ask your gas supplier where the gas was drawn from, where it was refined, or a petrol station where the oil was drilled and refined, and how? Anyone going to move to Sky and BT and phone up Sky and ask about the transponders on the Astra satellite network, or phone BT and ask about the finer points of ATM backhauls to their exchanges, or what LAC and LNS is being used, the specifications of said devices, ask your ISP what transit they use? Is it really any of your business so long as a reasonable service is provided?

That's not a popular viewpoint, but it's true. When we mess up, fair enough expect us to fix it. When things work, what's the problem?

Th'Eng - anti-ntl drivel, and very short sighted. Think about the Broadband Plus content for a start, various streaming sites on there, think about the future as well. Of course it's easier to sit there smug and santimonious now - if you really are all that why aren't you extremely loaded running your own super-efficient ISP, rather than staying with ntl for the sake of a few quid a month in retention offers? Think you're still yet to answer http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showp...6&postcount=82 inspite of your pontificating?

Back to the original point I'm still yet to receive a PM complaining about Baguley's caches and asking for assistance with them, a day later.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Methinks I'm going to leave this thread alone now, popular opinion seems to be that I'm either a) A liar, or b) An idiot, and members here seem to know more about ntl's operations than I do, and won't believe what I say without me breaking NDA and posting stats, which are right now none of your business.

Perhaps you could clarify here - if you are directing this at me then you are well out of order, I have not called nor implied you are either of those things, not have I specifically mentioned NTL, just commented on proxies in general. You bought up the subject of stats, not me.

[DrAwesome]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

do ADSL suppliers use proxies????

Do you mean do ADSL customers have to rely on proxys like the NTL cache proxys.. no i dont

I dont have an isp mask as i'm aware of just a static ip address which is part of the ADSL package.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by pem

Perhaps you could clarify here - if you are directing this at me then you are well out of order, I have not called nor implied you are either of those things, not have I specifically mentioned NTL, just commented on proxies in general. You bought up the subject of stats, not me.

I've replied to this in private, not specifically mentioning you by the way, however what you said could be taken as referring to ntl rather than web caches in general. There are good reasons why they are there. Apologies if I have given you the wrong impression or offended, wasn't my intention.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

I've replied to this in private, not specifically mentioning you by the way, however what you said could be taken as referring to ntl rather than web caches in general. There are good reasons why they are there. Apologies if I have given you the wrong impression or offended, wasn't my intention.

No offence taken

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by pem

No offence taken

Phew! I only like to offend one person at a time when possible