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Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:24

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Can someone explain to me the whole thing about jesus being a jew, yet people believe in christianity and not judaism

To be a Christian is to accept Jesus as your Saviour and follow his teachings. Jusaism doesn't recognise Jesus as the Saviour.

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castigating other peoples lifestyles,

Christian teaching doesn't promote that.

Xaccers · 23-01-2004, 22:25

Jesus was like a service pack upgrading judaism to judaism V1.2
So although he was a jew, he was a new jew, trying to teach the old jews where they were going wrong in following blatant texts in the bible such as stoning homosexuals to death (aparently that was a typo in the old testiment or something)

Nor · 23-01-2004, 22:26

Still don't understand really the whole thing about jesus being a jew and christian stuff I'm afraid.

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Jesus was like a service pack upgrading judaism to judaism V1.2
So although he was a jew, he was a new jew, trying to teach the old jews where they were going wrong in following blatant texts in the bible such as stoning homosexuals to death (aparently that was a typo in the old testiment or something)

Quite correct although it wasn't a typo - I'd put it down to being extreme over-zealousness caused by lack of compassion and understanding.

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Nor

Still don't understand really the whole thing about jesus being a jew and christian stuff I'm afraid.

Judaism

Christianity

Xaccers · 23-01-2004, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Quite correct although it wasn't a typo - I'd put it down to being extreme over-zealousness caused by lack of compassion and understanding.

So did he just make it up or was it actually words from god?

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

So did he just make it up or was it actually words from god?

The intention, that is to say anal sex is wrong, is what I believe to be God's message. My own view is Levictus may have taken it the wrong way (ummm, bad choice or wording there..) or misunderstood God's word. I believe he thought he was doing God's word.

Nor · 23-01-2004, 22:40

I'll have a read through that Russ, thanks. Had a wee skim read, I just can't get to grips with the fact that christians believe in Jesus but don't actually believe in his religion ? Confusing myself now.

Xaccers · 23-01-2004, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Russ D

The intention, that is to say anal sex is wrong, is what I believe to be God's message. My own view is Levictus may have taken it the wrong way (ummm, bad choice or wording there..) or misunderstood God's word. I believe he thought he was doing God's word.

So god doesn't think the bible is important enough to proof read, or didn't care that Lev got it wrong?
In that case, how can you blieve anything in the bible then?

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Nor

I'll have a read through that Russ, thanks. Had a wee skim read, I just can't get to grips with the fact that christians believe in Jesus but don't actually believe in his religion ? Confusing myself now.

OK here's a rough version......take Jesus away and all his miracles, teachings etc and you have a form of Judaism. It's not really practical to use this analogy as Christianity started with just after Christ left but I hope you see my point...

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

So god doesn't think the bible isn't important enough to proof read, or didn't care that Lev got it wrong?
In that case, how can you blieve anything in the bible then?

God unfortunately never left us with a proof-reader....I'm sure He wanted people to see past the notion that gays should be tortured in that way.

I believe what I believe in the Bible because it feels right and things can be put in to practice.

**Chris** · 23-01-2004, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Theodoric

As we're discussing miracles in the context of Christianity may I raise the interesting point that Protestants stopped believing in miracles occurring after Biblical times whilst Catholics didn't. So, which side is right? For someone to be canonised, I believe that the Catholic church requires at least 2 proven miracles.

Theo, forgive me if I'm wrong but posts you've made in past 'religious' threads lead me to believe that your understanding of the non-Roman Catholic Church comes almost exclusively from a Calvinistic perspective. As a matter of fact, miracles are alive and well in a great many of the the 'non-conformist' denominations. It's only really the Calvinist denominations (for e.g., the Reformed Church, the Plymouth Bretheren and the Free Church of Scotland) that go in for what we call a 'ceasationist' doctrine. The principal difference between us and the RCs is that we recognise the work of God in the lives of ordinary people without feeling the need to then elevate those people to the exalted status of 'sainthood'. In any case, the Bible is clear that all believers are 'saints'.

Xaccers · 23-01-2004, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Russ D

God unfortunately never left us with a proof-reader....I'm sure He wanted people to see past the notion that gays should be tortured in that way.

I believe what I believe in the Bible because it feels right and things can be put in to practice.

See, that says either god didn't care, or didn't know how people would interpret it.
Or it took several hundred years for him to realise.

Either way, you have god saying one thing, and the bible writers putting down something different, therefore showing that the bible is not the word of god, but the word of some men (and one woman) who lived many moons ago and decided to ignore god's words and write their own and claim they were god's.

Flubflow · 23-01-2004, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Surely truth is subjective?

And that is your right

You're not far off the, er truth

I'm not afraid in the slightest. I've very interested in science, especially the power of the mind, I studied psychology for a while so it's not like I've jumped on the first idea that came by.

It's just I have made up my mind about God, I feel Him in my everyday life, I'm not harming anyone with my beliefs so I'll carry on til the end.

Truth is not subjective. How can it be? It it was then, for a start, we would have no justice system. Truth is truth. Lies are lies. To determine whether something is one or the other then you rely on evidence and empirical data. A faith or belief is not truth.

If you are not afraid then why do you reject it out of hand? Scientists were feared by religious types so much that they burned at the stake. Today you just mostly ignore them when it suits you.

Russ · 23-01-2004, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

See, that says either god didn't care, or didn't know how people would interpret it.
Or it took several hundred years for him to realise.

Either way, you have god saying one thing, and the bible writers putting down something different, therefore showing that the bible is not the word of god, but the word of some men (and one woman) who lived many moons ago and decided to ignore god's words and write their own and claim they were god's.

Let's not forget that the Bible wasn't "the Bible" during those days. It only became considered the written word of God well after Jesus left.