for once i agree with extreme measures...

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

the 'offender' has commited an act of what can be described as 'heanous' and 'disgusting' the person should be ashamed of themselves YOU should know what you are doing is wrong.

you do the crime, you pay for the consequences, family or no family.

a hardline approach is always needed, no use in 'beating around the bush'

The offender has committed a crime and is sentenced to death, he is no longer going to be a threat to society, a public flogging is purely for the delight of the pathetic sad acts that get off on watching others suffer and there's no excuse for it.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

The offender has committed a crime and is sentenced to death, he is no longer going to be a threat to society

true.

Originally Posted by Bifta

a public flogging is purely for the delight of the pathetic sad acts that get off on watching others suffer and there's no excuse for it.

the death penalty is quick and easy a little pain beforehand would not do any harm.

[Bifta]

Perhaps someone else could continue this farcical debate with you, I'm ducking out before I say something to you I regret.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Perhaps someone else could continue this farcical debate with you, I'm ducking out before I say something to you I regret.

no once forces you to post, just because im a hardliner in punishment and wont 'tip toe' (like our government around issues) does not prove this to be a farcical debate

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by kronas

i dont think its about people 'getting kicks out of it' its more of an excercise to put people off doing such gastly crimes.....

Yes and while were at it lets bring back Public Hangings/Beheadings, or even still lets have them Drawn and quatered for all to see, we could even decorate Buckingham pallace with thier heads on pigpoles outside

We live in a civilised society and two wrongs do not make a right, what pleasure could one possibly get out of watching someone get whipped, its barbaric and not civilised.

And on that note I really am going to bed very tired now, g'night all

[Fawkes]

I think both of your are wrong. The punishment should fit the crime, but that doesn't mean flogging or the death penalty is right. The kind of people that commit this type of crime can't be rehabilitated so they should remain in prison for life.

There are many problems with the death penalty. If this country had never abolished the death penalty many innocent people would have been put to death (FACT).
I hear people say "we have forensic evidense these day". Well you need to go to Google and type Stephan Kishko or the Birmingham Six before you use that argument.
I think the death penalty is the easy way out, look at Harold Shipman and Fred West. Ian Brady says he wants to die, I say tough!

Originally Posted by kronas

absoloutely 100% agree with this, its a tough measure even to have a death penalty but to inflict further punishment is a positive......

Words fail me Kronas - I don't disagree with the death penalty but a public flogging first is just a pointless barbaric act - I am suprised and saddened at you for supporting this.

[Marge]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think both of your are wrong. The punishment should fit the crime, but that doesn't mean flogging or the death penalty is right. The kind of people that commit this type of crime can't be rehabilitated so they should remain in prison for life.

There are many problems with the death penalty. If this country had never abolished the death penalty many innocent people would have been put to death (FACT).
I hear people say "we have forensic evidense these day". Well you need to go to Google and type Stephan Kishko or the Birmingham Six before you use that argument.
I think the death penalty is the easy way out, look at Harold Shipman and Fred West. Ian Brady says he wants to die, I say tough!

Totally agree with you

Watching a programme about Muslim women the other night and within the last couple of years several women have been publicly stoned to death for adultery, not exactly what I think could be described as punishment fitting the crime.

What purpose could be served by a public flogging it's barbaric and inhumane and I can't imagine that it would bring any comfort to the victims families

[kronas]

Originally Posted by pem

Words fail me Kronas - I don't disagree with the death penalty but a public flogging first is just a pointless barbaric act - I am suprised and saddened at you for supporting this.

its allowed to happen over there so why not ?

just because something is barbaric to you, does not mean its wrong, i know the old saying 'two wrongs dont make a right' but the infliction of pain and suffering to those people is a better approach, then a quick death prolonging of the agony is better as i doubt jail conditions over there are quite comfortable

thanks for the red rep BTW

that will NOT silence me

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Watching a programme about Muslim women the other night and within the last couple of years several women have been publicly stoned to death for adultery, not exactly what I think could be described as punishment fitting the crime.

wait just a moment, ill just clarify that i meant the public humilation of whipping is justifyed for this case, as the article states as well.

Originally Posted by kronas

just because something is barbaric to you, does not mean its wrong, i know the old saying 'two wrongs dont make a right' but the infliction of pain and suffering to those people is a better approach, then a quick death prolonging of the agony is better as i doubt jail conditions over there are quite comfortable

I'm reading this thread with an air of total bafflement.

If you are going to get the death penalty for a crime, just *how* exactly is anything else going to be *more* of a deterrant???

[Marge]

I know what you mean Kronas just as I'm sure the people responsible for the stoning of these women felt that it was justified. There shouldn't be any public humiliation for criminals regardless of their crime.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by ZrByte

Yes and while were at it lets bring back Public Hangings/Beheadings, or even still lets have them Drawn and quatered for all to see, we could even decorate Buckingham pallace with thier heads on pigpoles outside

the death penalty should be brought back in to the law for 100% assurances but it woul require a massive overhaul of the laws we would need new judges etc...........

oh and no need for the over melodramatic comments in the above quoted post

Originally Posted by ZrByte

We live in a civilised society and two wrongs do not make a right, what pleasure could one possibly get out of watching someone get whipped, its barbaric and not civilised.

its not about being barbaric, its about inflicting pain on these sick people, instead of a quick easy way out.

Originally Posted by Graham

If you are going to get the death penalty for a crime, just *how* exactly is anything else going to be *more* of a deterrant???

you get the pain and then the quick ending, as opposed to the quick ending.

[Marge]

I'm sure being sentenced to death wouldn't be seen as a quick easy way out by any convicted criminal. I can sympathise with your opinion but would you actually go to watch a public flogging?? The only people who would turn up are the kind of people who swarmed into Hyde last week after Dr Shipmans suicide, ghoulish weirdos and somehow I don't see you as one Kronas........

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

I'm sure being sentenced to death wouldn't be seen as a quick easy way out by any convicted criminal. I can sympathise with your opinion but would you actually go to watch a public flogging?? The only people who would turn up are the kind of people who swarmed into Hyde last week after Dr Shipmans suicide, ghoulish weirdos and somehow I don't see you as one Kronas........

you right i would want to be there, but something has to be done the law is too soft, maybe my comments have been a little strong but i feel for familys who go through the pain and suffering, the mental scars left on the children, the loss of a youngsters life

ofcourse it wont happen in this country.......