64 year old to recieve punishment for racism

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by wheeliebin

. No one has the right to claim this land as their own. No one.

errrr....yes they do.
Would you tell an American that he dosn't have a right to claim America as his land, or a Frenchman? So why not a British person?

[Nor]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

errrr....yes they do.
Would you tell an American that he dosn't have a right to claim America as his land, or a Frenchman? So why not a Briton?

Would someone make the same accusation against a native american ? Nope. One way street.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Nor

Would someone make the same accusation against a native american ? Nope. One way street.

It's late. Are you agreeing with me or not, 'cos I'm confused about your reply...

[Nor]

Originally Posted by wheeliebin

A great thread ?

Seems littered to me with the usual generalisations about immigration and Assylum.

Why is Assylum the Great British obsession ?
I find it dissapointing that people havent got something more constructive things to do with their time.
People from another counrty sponging off our "wonderfull system" are no different from the people who have lived here for generations and sponged off the state. Many people wrongly associate any problems we have in this counrty with immigrants.
Remember not all assylum seekers are evil fiddling people.

Im even more dissapointed that this has descended into an assylum rant when there is no indication of this woman being an assylum seeker. People who think the old lady was right are just as ignorant as the old lady for her outburst. Im white and i dont get labled. Yet most of my family came to England years back to make a different life for themselves. No one has the right to claim this land as their own. No one.

Nobody has said she was right. Some of us have just tried to argue the point that its not automatically racist to want a foreigner to go back to their own country. There can be other non racist reasons and one of those is the public opinion perpetuated by the redtops that assylum seekers get preferential treatment and are a reason for all the ills of the country.

Some people seem unable to make the distinction though and whenever anything is said against a black person or an asian person its racist. I just think it does those people who genuinely suffer from racism a disservice as it dilutes an important issue.

[Nor]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It's late. Are you agreeing with me or not, 'cos I'm confused about your reply...

Yeah I was agreeing, thought it would copy the other fellas quote aswell

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

errrr....yes they do.
Would you tell an American that he dosn't have a right to claim America as his land, or a Frenchman? So why not a British person?

I think that is a twist of my point. Of course any man has the right to claim his right to live in his counrty, of course. But i dont believe that anyman has the right to deny others based on the colour of their skin or where the third generation back came from. Little Englander mentailty is rife.

Its not about what you want for yourself , its about what you want for others.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by bigboab5

Hi there Guys,

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Bigboab5

Nice post!

Originally Posted by wheeliebin

A great thread ? Seems littered to me with the usual generalisations about immigration and Assylum.

Why do you think I haven't joined it before now?

And the only reason I have now is to point out that....

People from another counrty sponging off our "wonderfull system" are no different from the people who have lived here for generations and sponged off the state.

Is just another of the "usual generalisations" about people who claim benefits they are entitled to. But that's another discussion.

[xaq141175]

most humans are territorial ... value judgements of 'right/wrong' are irrelevant.

if british people decide that they do not want to have over 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 immigrants a year, that is ENTIRELY upto the british people.

multi-culturalism has to have a limitation placed on it otherwise we'll end up with a divided society, not a diverse one.

this idea that the uk must be a microcosm of the world makes my skin crawl, it's possibly one of the most unconsidered, overly ideological, politically correct madhouse asylum nuthouse lunatic idea's i've ever heard !

'political correctness' is is nothing less than backdoor fascism and should be treated as such. with contempt.

i believe that racism, xenophobia etc etc are 'symptoms' of something other than just ignorance ... i'm far more interested in trying to discover what is causing it other than just dismissing it as 'bad' and moving on. that won't help anyone.

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by Graham

Why do you think I haven't joined it before now?

And the only reason I have now is to point out that....



Is just another of the "usual generalisations" about people who claim benefits they are entitled to. But that's another discussion.

Sorry Graham but thats just another example of the mentality i am so often faced with on message boards. Say something and then have it twisted. I wasnt generalising i was simply stating that if somone is ripping a system off then what has the colour of their skin got to do with it ?

Im not suggesting that everyone who claims benefits is ripping the system off as i didnt suggest that all assylum seekers are spongers. I cant see how you interpreted it that way.......

[QUOTE=xaq141175]most humans are territorial ... value judgements of 'right/wrong' are irrelevant.

Originally Posted by xaq141175

if british people decide that they do not want to have over 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 immigrants a year, that is ENTIRELY upto the british people.

Funny, I don`t remember this being put to a vote, can you show me when the British people decided this, and I don`t mean when they were told what to think by the tabloids.

Originally Posted by xaq141175

multi-culturalism has to have a limitation placed on it otherwise we'll end up with a divided society, not a diverse one.

this idea that the uk must be a microcosm of the world makes my skin crawl, it's possibly one of the most unconsidered, overly ideological, politically correct madhouse asylum nuthouse lunatic idea's i've ever heard !

'political correctness' is is nothing less than backdoor fascism and should be treated as such. with contempt.

i believe that racism, xenophobia etc etc are 'symptoms' of something other than just ignorance ...

Strange, because I would suspect that a lot of racism and xenophobia is due to the reasons you mentioned, and they certainly look to me like comments argued from a position of ignorance.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by wheeliebin

I think that is a twist of my point. Of course any man has the right to claim his right to live in his counrty, of course. But i dont believe that anyman has the right to deny others based on the colour of their skin or where the third generation back came from. Little Englander mentailty is rife.

Its not about what you want for yourself , its about what you want for others.

I see what you mean, I agree.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Funny, I don`t remember this being put to a vote, can you show me when the British people decided this, and I don`t mean when they were told what to think by the tabloids.

If it was put to the vote I think the government would have a shock and UK would suddenly have an immigration policy like that of Australia. In other words, bl**dy difficult to get in.

Originally Posted by wheeliebin

Sorry Graham but thats just another example of the mentality i am so often faced with on message boards. Say something and then have it twisted.

If this happens "so often", perhaps there's a conclusion that you should draw from this?

I'm not generalising [...] Im not suggesting that everyone who claims benefits is ripping the system off as i didnt suggest that all assylum seekers are spongers. I cant see how you interpreted it that way.......

This is the sort of "mentality" I've often seen on message boards. Someone generalises, using a "big brush" (whether deliberately or accidentally) and then "can't see" why others take exception to it.

The fact that your comments can be interpreted (not "twisted") in this way, suggests that you are making excessively broad remarks.

However this is off topic for this thread, so I hope to leave it here.

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by Graham

If this happens "so often", perhaps there's a conclusion that you should draw from this?



This is the sort of "mentality" I've often seen on message boards. Someone generalises, using a "big brush" (whether deliberately or accidentally) and then "can't see" why others take exception to it.

The fact that your comments can be interpreted (not "twisted") in this way, suggests that you are making excessively broad remarks.

However this is off topic for this thread, so I hope to leave it here.

I dont believe i was generalising. I was posting a message that was somewhat tongue in cheek. If you re-read my post it doesnt generalise at all.

My point was and still is ....whtas the difference between somone living in this counrty who sponges off the state and somone who is intending to gain access to milk the system. I would say non.
That isnt to say that everyone who claims benefit is sponging. By sponging i mean people who are less than honest or people who dont want to work and make an honest way. I would hate anyone to think i was generalising.

Sorry for the confusion.