64 year old to recieve punishment for racism

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Nor

No mate because there is a difference between hating someone because you think they are getting something you aren't, ie money, housing, jobs, nhs treatment cos they are coming from another country (the view that alot of people have because of the media) and actually hating someone and abusing them because of their race.

So what was she going on about?
She wouldnt have said the things she said if she had not been black!

[Nor]

Originally Posted by aliferste

So what was she going on about?
She wouldnt have said the things she said if she had not been black!

Not sure where the person was from or what colour they were from the article but yeah I assume she was probably black or asian. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that the media have painted this picture of assylum seekers coming to this country and getting put up in hotels, free houses, free money, better benefits than old age pensioners for example.

Its this impression created of assylum seekers/immigrants that I think causes some of these attacks, whether it be verbal or physical. Yes she verbally attacked her because she was black but that could mean assylum seeker, getting loads of money and freebies, not because she was just black and she didn't like black people.

Of course I could be wrong, perhaps she just doesn't like black people and wants them all to 'go back home' but what I was trying to get at is people are too quick to say racist these days. There are unracist reasons why people can hate people like this, but mostly these are created by the redtop newspapers cos its good copy. On a side note, with all the talk about RKS, I'd honestly say the redtops have more of a hand in inciting racial hatred than RKS did.

[Nor]

Originally Posted by stamp92

i definately agree with that and i think sadly that is a distinction which isnt recognised by many people. i often get misinterepreted as racist when i express my views.

I think when you say foreigners should never emigrate to other countries you leave yourself open to being called a racist. Thing is... its an accident of birth where we end up. If people decide they feel better suited to living somewhere else and can offer that country expertise or something which is needed they should be welcomed. Provided they integrate into that countrys culture and don't go there expecting the country and those who live their to go out of their way to accomodate them.

Originally Posted by Nor

I think when you say foreigners should never emigrate to other countries you leave yourself open to being called a racist. Thing is... its an accident of birth where we end up. If people decide they feel better suited to living somewhere else and can offer that country expertise or something which is needed they should be welcomed. Provided they integrate into that countrys culture and don't go there expecting the country and those who live their to go out of their way to accomodate them.

I agree entirely.
Its when they claim assylum here and the minority have the cheek to moan that they dont like it because they dont have this and they dont have that. This taints peoples attitudes, we all know you shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush but it happens. Its impossible to stop people disliking people from other countries its happened for centuries and it isnt going to stop now because someone has hurt feelings and the odd bruise from a brush with a shopping trolley (incidently I get bruised by grannies with trollies every week but I dont claim assualt etc.)

[kronas]

Originally Posted by stamp92

i want to marry an english, welsh, scottish girl who speaks my language. i want english, welsh, scottish children.

are you declaring you have a racial 'bias' towards women, the above is a stupidly narrowminded comment

Originally Posted by stamp92

i know that u will say something like...what abt americans living in britain. i have less objection to an american living in britian. this is not racist. going back to my argument abt culture,loyalty and language. the americans speak english, there are so many similarities in our culture. we are both christian nations. many great english men have made america what it is today in its thinking and politics. the americans send people to our univercities and we send people to theirs. we easily intermingle and marry.

so what if the culture is similar to the americans, you cant expect someone to give up there culture, just because its diffarent, you fail to understand them.

Originally Posted by stamp92

yes foreigners can live here. i would have least objection if the following could be said of them. they are law abiding citizens who pledge allegiance to great britain. they all learn to speak english and never speak another language again. this is not being unfair as i would say if i went to france and wanted to live their i should learn french and never speak english again. the same goes for all countries when u want to become a citzen of that country.

i agree they should learn english, but i cannot fathom why they should give up there primary language from the country they were born in, im sure if you were told to give up english you wouldnt be happy, so dont force that issue on to others.
.

Originally Posted by stamp92

i love the british culture. its what i am. its what my ancestors have been. i dont want foreigners to change britain. i am proud of our history as a nation. there are somethings of course that i am not proud of like for example the slave trade and many other things but i hope you understand my point. i leave you to think of examples of things you love about your country britain.

i commend your patriotism, but you are showing your ignorance, cultural diversity is a positive not just for people in general but for economical reasons as well.

you cannot force someone to eradicate there culture just because it suits you, if it wasent for asians many meals from takeaways would not have reached here not to mention the economicalside of it....

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by kronas

if it wasent for asians many meals from takeaways would not have reached here not to mention the economicalside of it....

People could get a nice greasy ox roast on the way home from the pub

[bigboab5]

Hi there Guys,

Up until very recently, I lived in a tower block that was being used to house Asylum seekers. Not long before I left (and I left cos the council decided to rehouse me and not for any other reason!) scots were definately in a minority in the block. When I entered the lift, often I would be the only scot in it. There were folks from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan and so on. Now then, I have nothing against the asylum seekers or their various races, I spoke to many and had dinner with a lovely lady from Sudan, who made myself and my American wife a delightful meal. It was difficult to understand her, but we managed. It was very interesting to hear her side of the story.

It is common practise for the refugees to cut up their passports upon arrival, therefore making them stateless. Stateless people cannot be deported back to their homeland as they have none, it therefore muddies the water and prolongs their stay in this country, while the authorities investigate. Everything is paid for them, and i mean everything!!! They are not allowed to work for payement, but they must help in a place of work for free!!! They take language classes.

When I lived there, it was and still is a very deprived area. It was before the refugees arrived and it will be long after the refugees leave. The local people were understandably upset that the refugees got their houses fully refurbished and furnished before they arrived, when they were in damp ridden accomodation, But up until then these same houses were left unlet despite a housing shortage in the area. They also get all of their bills paid.

On the other hand, many of these people were/are highly educated people. Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers etc etc..... Just because they can't speak English doesn't make them idiots. To me it would seem prudent to use these people. Put them to work, for the going rate. Why not???

It is funny what people think of the UK. The refugees think of this as some kind of Shangri La, a place of opportunity and so on. As for my American wife, and most of her American friends in the UK. It is NO Shangri La, the opposite in fact. If it wasn't for me, (And for the other guys partners) she would not have stayed more than a month!!!! While we complain about the weather, jobs security money etc etc etc. And so it goes on.

In closing this, I can understand why the lady from Perth was upset, what triggered it I do not know, BUT, I do not condone it!!! never. It is not right. There is no right/wrong way to deal with the asylum situation, it is happening and it will continue to happen for the forseeable future, it Doesn't matter what the authorities do, someone will disagree.

I await the flack!!!!

Bigboab5

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by bigboab5

I await the flack!!!!

Bigboab5

I should hope not, that was damn well said!

[Mal]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

I should hope not, that was damn well said!

I agree, well said

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

The surgery I used to work ........<snip>.

Good point Debsy

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Not so many years ago if you think about it. The Duke of Edinburgh was born a Greek and his great grandfather was Danish.

I am British and proud of it and have a lot of coloured friends who are also British and proud of it. There are a hell of a lot of UK residents whose parents or grandparents were from other countries but you cannot tell that from looking at them as they are white and speak English. When I lived in West Yorkshire I had a very good friend who was a dentist in Heckmondwike (home of Kronas). I was once in his surgery after hours and heard two people talking in the next room. One of them had a very strong Glaswegian accent, the other a very broad Yorkshire accent. When I entered that room what do you think I saw? Two very black men, one being the dentists Uncle, the other was Charlie Williams (black comedian from Barnsley) father. They were both British.

I understand what you are saying and agree with you. I think that what stamp 92 and a lot of people that I speak to (and I speak to a lot) are concerned about is a lack of integration on the part of immigrants/asylum seekers. When my parents came here in the 50's they took great pains to integrate (whilst also maintaining their own cultural roots). That integration seems to be absent in many cases these days. This is possibly because the cultures that are arriving here are so alien to our own that it will take generations to integrate properly, if it happens at all.


The old lady in the news article was completely out of order doing/saying what she did. There are many older people here that have extremely racist views. In my experience, the older the person, the more racist they are.
One of my receptionists is a Muslim and looks indian (she is from Madagascar)
She and her daughter have both been victims of racism here in the UK merely because of their colour (the worst abuse was from an elderly neighbor-the police had to intervene). This is in spite of the fact that my receptionist speaks with as 'posh' an accent as I do (and her vocab is probably better, since she has a BA in French and art) and her daughter was the brightest pupil in all of Kent at A level!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Nor

I don't think what she said was racist though. Its not racist to hate people because you think (however untrue it might be) they are coming to your country and taking jobs, houses and money without having contributed for the last 50 years. Its racist to hate them because of their race.

That is picking hairs. Generally, it can be assumed that people from different countries are from a different race, so, telling somebody to go back to their own country can be construed as a racist comment.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by stamp92

something your comments have got me thinking about is why i have less objection to dutch and french and german etc. well i would say its because those countries are somewhat similar to ours in that they are democratic and civilised. the countries i really dont like receiving immigrants and asylum seekers from are non democratic countries and uncivilised countries because they do crazy things. take for example that man in the muslim father whose daughter was dating an asylum seeker. he tried to break of the relationship but when his attempts failed he pretended to support the relationship, he got the asylum seeker job in his factory and then he hung him or something in the factory. the point im making is yes british people have evil tendencies but we are more civilised than other nations. there is a danger in immigration that u bring people who are uncivilised from uncivilised nations and they bring our country down.

you just showed your ignorance again, ofcourse there are murders in this country, there are hitmen hired to kill people, in the USA there are schoolshootings and plenty of other crimes, you think western countries including britain are perfect, i suggest you take a look at my 'general rant' thread

btw great thread thanks to all participants

[Nor]

Originally Posted by scastle

That is picking hairs. Generally, it can be assumed that people from different countries are from a different race, so, telling somebody to go back to their own country can be construed as a racist comment.

Its not splitting hairs at all mate. There is a distinction. What you've said is exactly the problem, regardless of someones reasoning (however wrong it may be) for hating someone from a foreign country it gets put down as racism. Its not racist to hate assylum seekers because you believe them to be getting preferential treatment.

That is not my view before anyone has a go at me, but I do think its important to make the disctinction between what racist and what isn't.

[wheeliebin]

Originally Posted by kronas

you just showed your ignorance again, ofcourse there are murders in this country, there are hitmen hired to kill people, in the USA there are schoolshootings and plenty of other crimes, you think western countries including britain are perfect, i suggest you take a look at my 'general rant' thread

btw great thread thanks to all participants

A great thread ?

Seems littered to me with the usual generalisations about immigration and Assylum.

Why is Assylum the Great British obsession ?
I find it dissapointing that people havent got something more constructive things to do with their time.
People from another counrty sponging off our "wonderfull system" are no different from the people who have lived here for generations and sponged off the state. Many people wrongly associate any problems we have in this counrty with immigrants.
Remember not all assylum seekers are evil fiddling people.

Im even more dissapointed that this has descended into an assylum rant when there is no indication of this woman being an assylum seeker. People who think the old lady was right are just as ignorant as the old lady for her outburst. Im white and i dont get labled. Yet most of my family came to England years back to make a different life for themselves. No one has the right to claim this land as their own. No one.