16-01-2019, 14:15
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Riddle me this.
Labour want a Customs Union, May's deal means if a new equitable customs agreement cannot be agreed we stay indefinitely in the "Customs Union". Why isn't Labour happy about that?
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Because they want to 'lock in' the customs union now I guess. The custom's arrangement is unlikely to be the same as the customs union (who knows what they would be) and the backstop isn't meant to stick around.
Last edited by Damien; 16-01-2019 at 14:22.
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16-01-2019, 14:31
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#6452
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The EU is a protectionist Bloc that has ruled in favour of a European Business.
No Surprise there.
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Riddle me this.
Labour want a Customs Union, May's deal means if a new equitable customs agreement cannot be agreed we stay indefinitely in the "Customs Union". Why isn't Labour happy about that?
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She just stated in PMQ there are three possible outcomes.
Deal, No Deal, Revoke A50
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Whilst No Deal is the default route right now, it's the least likely to happen IMO MP's will try and utilise every single trick in the book, perhaps something like the 'humble address' to stop this from occurring.
Deal, not going to happen because there's no changes that can be made according to the EU. Unless May can work some magic in the next few days (which i highly doubt)
That leaves revoke A50. As much as i would love to see that happen, I highly doubt she would go down this route either, it's political suicide.
I honestly don't know how she can proceed
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16-01-2019, 14:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Whilst No Deal is the default route right now, it's the least likely to happen IMO MP's will try and utilise every single trick in the book, perhaps something like the 'humble address' to stop this from occurring.
Deal, not going to happen because there's no changes that can be made according to the EU. Unless May can work some magic in the next few days (which i highly doubt)
That leaves revoke A50. As much as i would love to see that happen, I highly doubt she would go down this route either, it's political suicide.
I honestly don't know how she can proceed
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Customs Union coming our way soon. i.e. EU membership in all but name without the voting rights. Which means all this has been a waste of time, money and divided the country unnecessarily.
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16-01-2019, 14:54
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Customs Union coming our way soon. i.e. EU membership in all but name without the voting rights. Which means all this has been a waste of time, money and divided the country unnecessarily.
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Maybe, but, the leave camp would be furious as it's not Brexit. The question that begs is then would leave voters prefer option a) Customs Union or option b) Remaining in the EU
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16-01-2019, 14:56
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Maybe, but, the leave camp would be furious as it's not Brexit. The question that begs is then would leave voters prefer option a) Customs Union or option b) Remaining in the EU
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i.e. Chips or French Fries 
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16-01-2019, 14:59
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
i.e. Chips or French Fries |
pommes frites avec mayonnaise/mit mayonnaise
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16-01-2019, 15:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
i.e. Chips or French Fries |
Or jackets with a nice crispy skin.
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16-01-2019, 16:19
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Maybe, but, the leave camp would be furious as it's not Brexit. The question that begs is then would leave voters prefer option a) Customs Union or option b) Remaining in the EU
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Option c) No deal.
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16-01-2019, 16:21
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Option c) No deal.
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Sorry, there is no mandate for No Deal. Not in the House and not from the Leave campaign:
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16-01-2019, 16:30
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Sorry, there is no mandate for No Deal. Not in the House and not from the Leave campaign:
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Leave.eu was the official campaign group.
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16-01-2019, 16:30
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Option c) No deal.
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The WTO deal or the legal default position as it is also known.
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16-01-2019, 16:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Leave.eu was the official campaign group.
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Vote Leave was designated by the Electoral Commission as the official campaign.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36086987
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We got an insight to the sort of trade deal the leave campaign would like to secure for Britain outside the EU this morning when Michael Gove said: "There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to … after we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
He went on to say: "By being part of that free trade zone we would have full access to the European market but we would be free from EU regulation."
This may be Michael Gove's hope, but it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to deliver in reality.
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Reality Check verdict: Full access with no regulation may be Mr Gove's hope but it looks impossible to deliver in practice.
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16-01-2019, 16:51
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#6463
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Leave.eu was the official campaign group.
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Sorry, you are wrong again. As Hugh has said:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vote_Leave
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Vote Leave was a campaign group that supported a "Leave" vote in the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016. On 13 April 2016 it was designated by the Electoral Commission as the official campaign in favour of leaving the European Union in the Referendum
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16-01-2019, 16:52
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Re: Brexit
This report is from late 2016 / early 2017
https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../1077/1077.pdf
House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee
Article 50 negotiations: Implications of ‘no deal’
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58. It is possible to envisage scenarios in which ‘no deal’ might be better than a bad deal, as the Government has suggested; such as, for example, if the eventual proposed agreement only involves payment of a large sum to the EU in settlement of UK liabilities, with no provisions for any preferential trade arrangements or transitional arrangements towards a mutually beneficial future relationship.
It is clear from our evidence, however, that a complete breakdown in negotiations represents a very destructive outcome leading to mutually assured damage for the EU and the UK. Both sides would suffer economic losses and harm to their international reputations.
Individuals and businesses in both the UK and EU could be subject to considerable personal uncertainty and legal confusion. It is a key national and European Union interest that such a situation is avoided.
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16-01-2019, 17:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
The WTO deal or the legal default position as it is also known.
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Not. Going. To. Happen
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