Brexit (Old)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There are approximately 66 million people in the UK and 456 million people in the rest of the EU, so your comparison that their 3 million here versus our 1 million there doesn’t really add up, proportionally...

Also, France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Sweden, and Finland have been rated higher than the U.K. for healthcare.

Our older U.K. citizens living abroad, as you state, as pensioners will not be paying local income tax, and as older people, on average, require more medical care, they will in fact be more likely to have a negative effect on the local economies.

I think it goes to show that a lot more people want to come to Britain than the other way round. I obtained these figures from a Government minister, but Google says:

There are 3.6 million people from the EU living here:

https://www.the3million.org.uk

And this says that there are 1.3 million British people living in the EU:

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many...-eu-countries/

AIUI, pensioners who have settled in Spain pay 24% of their income in tax (there are no personal allowances or deductions), so they will be paying something even on a modest income. Also, unless exempt, they pay €157 a month (up from €60 a month for those under 65) and 100% of any prescription costs.

I suppose it depends on what is wrong with them and what is available with the Spanish healthcare system. If it's too expensive, they are still entitled to use the UK NHS. If any EU nationals need expensive healthcare whilst in the UK, I doubt that they could be attended to by their home country; the whole thing is so very one sided.

[jfman]

By “unless exempt” I think for the sake of transparency you should state that receipt of a UK State Pension is presently an exemption criteria. In other words: in the vast majority of cases they aren’t making a contribution over and above income tax.

This exemption could equally be removed: so 1.3 million UK nationals (or the vast majority of) could be asked to stump more up in their retirement because (ironically) we don’t like immigrants! So rather than pay more they will probably come home and try to get treated here.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I think it goes to show that a lot more people want to come to Britain than the other way round. I obtained these figures from a Government minister, but Google says:

There are 3.6 million people from the EU living here:

https://www.the3million.org.uk

And this says that there are 1.3 million British people living in the EU:

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many...-eu-countries/

AIUI, pensioners who have settled in Spain pay 24% of their income in tax (there are no personal allowances or deductions), so they will be paying something even on a modest income. Also, unless exempt, they pay €157 a month (up from €60 a month for those under 65) and 100% of any prescription costs.

I suppose it depends on what is wrong with them and what is available with the Spanish healthcare system. If it's too expensive, they are still entitled to use the UK NHS. If any EU nationals need expensive healthcare whilst in the UK, I doubt that they could be attended to by their home country; the whole thing is so very one sided.

No, you didn't.

If you wrote to a Minister, the request for information would have been handled by a junior Aide, who would have asked for the information from the relevant department, and then the Aide would have replied to you with the information (on behalf of the Minister and the Department). It's extremely, extremely unlikely that the Minister has any idea you asked for this information.

If you did it through their Constituency Office, just substitute "Researcher" for "junior Aide"..,.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What's wrong with their passports?

They get renewed, lost, stolen etc. In that situation, how do you distinguish between somebody who was resident in the UK on the specified date, and somebody who came here after then? Same goes for U ex-pats in the rest of the EU. There has to be a document that shows not only entitlement to reside, get benefits etc, but to travel freely.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No, you didn't.

If you wrote to a Minister, the request for information would have been handled by a junior Aide, who would have asked for the information from the relevant department, and then the Aide would have replied to you with the information (on behalf of the Minister and the Department). It's extremely, extremely unlikely that the Minister has any idea you asked for this information.

If you did it through their Constituency Office, just substitute "Researcher" for "junior Aide"..,.

I didn't write to him, it was stated during a debate about Brexit.

[Hom3r]

Well on illegal immigration i say, no ID or proof of who you are you are held on remand until they prove who they are.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Factories ? What factories ? We don't make anything any longer, Thatcher saw to that . Most migrants are doing work we don't want or won't do eg. care sector, cleaning. There isn't a mass of UK people waiting for these jobs.

Absolute rubbish as usual - I work in the health care sector and part of my previous role was recruitment these jobs ARE being picked up by English people and NOT migrants, so this utter fallacy that Migrants are only doing Healthcare jobs is an utter lie.

Of course we bloody make stuff - wtf do you continue to tell lie after lie ?

There are loads of factories open near me and in my area. There is a Metal works where I used to live and where I live now, there is a steel factory yard. Both said to be doing really well financially, fancy that!!!

[jfman]

https://researchbriefings.files.parl...42/SN01942.pdf

We don’t make as much as we used to, or at least it doesn’t employ as many people in doing so. Page 8 shows a decline from 5.4 million in 1982 to 2.7 million now. Dropping from 21% to 8% of the jobs in the economy.

Originally Posted by jfman

https://researchbriefings.files.parl...42/SN01942.pdf

We don’t make as much as we used to, or at least it doesn’t employ as many people in doing so. Page 8 shows a decline from 5.4 million in 1982 to 2.7 million now. Dropping from 21% to 8% of the jobs in the economy.

Irrelevant to any point I made to Mr K, who said we do not make anything anymore and Migrants only do care job - no they bloody don't.

I know we don't make as much as we used to - but that's all thanks to being in the cancerous, corrupted EU. They have financially constrained us over the last 40 years - biggest mistake we ever did joining the con job membership club.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mick

Irrelevant to any point I made to Mr K, who said we do not make anything anymore and Migrants only do care job - no they bloody don't.

I know we don't make as much as we used to - but that's all thanks to being in the cancerous, corrupted EU. They have financially constrained us over the last 40 years - biggest mistake we ever did joining the con job membership club.

How have the EU been responsible for constraining our manufacturing industries ?? And specifically what is so corrupt about the EU.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mick

I know we don't make as much as we used to - but that's all thanks to being in the cancerous, corrupted EU. They have financially constrained us over the last 40 years - biggest mistake we ever did joining the con job membership club.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Irrelevant to any point I made to Mr K, who said we do not make anything anymore and Migrants only do care job - no they bloody don't.

I know we don't make as much as we used to - but that's all thanks to being in the cancerous, corrupted EU. They have financially constrained us over the last 40 years - biggest mistake we ever did joining the con job membership club.

We have the lowest, as a percentage, of the 4 EU Member States in the G20. Somehow the cancer appears to be in Britain, not the EU.

Originally Posted by daveeb

How have the EU been responsible for constraining our manufacturing industries ?? And specifically what is so corrupt about the EU.

Er easy, ALL of it...

You tell me where our industries have bloody gone too then and why !?!?

Nothing you Remainers say will extinguish my desire to leave the EU. EVER!!!

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Originally Posted by jfman

We have the lowest, as a percentage, of the 4 EU Member States in the G20. Somehow the cancer appears to be in Britain, not the EU.

Nope - you have that the wrong way round and always will have while we are in that corrupted club!!!

But keep on trying to sell the stale porkies. (Lies)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Er easy, ALL of it...

You tell me where our industries have bloody gone too then and why !?!?

Nothing you Remainers say will extinguish my desire to leave the EU. EVER!!!

I agree we still have a strong manufacturing sector be it Jaguar LandRover, Unilever or BAE.

But I don't think it's an unreasonable request for you to expand upon your claim that the EU been responsible for financially constraining our manufacturing industries.

[jfman]

You’re being quite non-specific, other than an obvious dislike of the EU.