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**Damien** · 10-07-2018, 10:27

Isn't that going to be a given though? Why create the hassle of diverging regulation when you don't need to do so?

heero_yuy · 10-07-2018, 10:45

Looks like Cameron's bête noir could be making a comeback:

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Quote from LBC:

Nigel Farage says he will consider returning as Ukip leader if Brexit is not back on track by March 2019.

The LBC presenter vowed to unseat Conservative MPs in marginal seats who were “not prepared” to honour the 17.4 million Leave voters.

Ukip’s current leader, Gerard Batten, reaches the end of his term in March next year.

Last week Nigel hinted at a return to frontline politics if Brexit was betrayed.

Now, he has told LBC listeners he is considering a return to the party he once led himself.

Mr K · 10-07-2018, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Mick

70% of Conservative oh

Membership is said to be very very unhappy with May's Brexit strategy and her previous making red lines on certain aspects of Brexit, leaving CU, SM etc but now wants to apply a common rule book where the EU is still very much in control of our economy and we don't have any say or powers. Thus, we are a Vassal State, this is NOT what the electorate voted for.

She has lost her mind, she has to go, it should be a true Brexiteer at the helm, she is a Remainer and showing her true colours.

70% of the Conservatives dwindling membership equals 0.15% of the population. They're an archaic irrelevance. MPs want power and retain it more than anything else. Their principles will be quickly sidelined.

OLD BOY · 10-07-2018, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

So May survived yesterday and after Boris there were a couple of minor resignations but no great revolt yet or a leadership challenge.

I wonder if it's in May's interest in intentionally spark a challenge though. Tory Party rules mean that if you've successfully won a confidence vote then you cannot be challenged for another year, a year which would take us past Brexit Day.

Does she really want to spent the next few months negotiating with the EU with the threat of a coup hanging over her head? Draw the poison now, put up or shut up style. If she gets though this period she'll end up with the starting point for a deal, a united Cabinet and be safe politically.

Yes, I think you are right on that.

If she survives this round, she now has a supportive Cabinet, no longer has Boris to worry about and can basically take over the Brexit negotiations.

So after all the nonsense, she comes out stronger and more stable!

I have some concerns about TM's latest proposal, but we haven't seen the detail yet. I will get on board with it if I can see that we can still forge our own trade deals and we remain outside the jurisdiction of the ECJ. Free movement of people to live and work in this country also has to stop.

**Mick** · 10-07-2018, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Mr K

70% of the Conservatives dwindling membership equals 0.15% of the population. They're an archaic irrelevance. MPs want power and retain it more than anything else. Their principles will be quickly sidelined.

Can you provide reliable statistics that showed this dwindling membership, instead of posting baseless information based on your usual negative soundbites.

**Hugh** · 10-07-2018, 11:45

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Looks like Cameron's bête noir could be making a comeback:

Perhaps he could stand for Parliament again - 8th time lucky....

Mr K · 10-07-2018, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Mick

Can you provide reliable statistics that showed this dwindling membership, instead of posting baseless information based on your usual negative soundbites.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...ervative-party
There you go Mick, I love some good stats

**Mick** · 10-07-2018, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...ervative-party
There you go Mick, I love some good stats

Not very reliable source is it, it looks dated, talks of UKIP doing well in next election. a .net domain...

Do better next time..

**Hugh** · 10-07-2018, 12:38

From the Parliament website.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...ummary/SN05125

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Membership of UK political parties

Published Tuesday, May 1, 2018

The latest available estimates from political parties’ head offices, press releases and media outputs indicate that:

The Labour Party has around 552,000 members, as of January 2018[1]
The Conservative Party has 124,000 members as of March 2018[2]
The Scottish National Party has around 118,200 members, as of April 2018[3]
The Liberal Democrat Party has around 100,500 members, as of April 2018[3]
The Green Party (England and Wales) has 41,073 members, as of April 2018[3]
UKIP has around 21,200 members, as of April 2018[3]
Plaid Cymru has around 8,000 members, as of April 2018[3]

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Membership as proportion of electorate

Membership of the Conservative, Labour and the Liberal Democrat parties has increased to around 1.6% of the electorate in 2018, compared to a historic low of 0.8% in 2013. Across the UK, the Labour Party’s membership increased from 0.4% in 2013 to 1.2% in 2018.

In April 2018, SNP membership was around 118,000, compared to 25,000 in December 2013; across Scotland, assuming all Scottish National Party members are in Scotland, SNP membership increased from 0.6% of the electorate in 2013 to 3.0% in 2017 and 2018. In April 2018, the Green Party (England and Wales) membership was around 41,100, compared to 13,800 in December 2013. UKIP’s membership increased from 32,000 in December 2013 to around 42,200 in December 2014, though has since fallen to around 21,200 in April 2018.

**Mick** · 10-07-2018, 14:09

BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump weighs in on Boris resignation on the White House lawn: 'The UK certainly have a lot of things going on. Boris Johnson is a friend of mine. He has been very nice to me. Very supportive. Maybe we'll speak to him when I get over there. I like Boris Johnson. I've always liked him.'

**Damien** · 10-07-2018, 14:19

I'm sure they can go to the pub somewhere.

heero_yuy · 10-07-2018, 14:30

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Quote from Damien:

I'm sure they can go to the pub somewhere.

And "accidentally" bump into Nigel.

OLD BOY · 10-07-2018, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump weighs in on Boris resignation on the White House lawn: 'The UK certainly have a lot of things going on. Boris Johnson is a friend of mine. He has been very nice to me. Very supportive. Maybe we'll speak to him when I get over there. I like Boris Johnson. I've always liked him.'

Ah, yes, but neither Boris nor Nigel have got to hold his hand yet.

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Originally Posted by denphone

The British electorate are generally a fairy moderate lot and thus don't like extremes of governance IMO..

So if Theresa ends up with the agreement she reached at Chequers being given the green light at Chequers, and it honours the red lines drawn up on customs, sovereignty and free movement, most people would be happy, non?

Would that include you, Den?

denphone · 10-07-2018, 14:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Ah, yes, but neither Boris nor Nigel have got to hold his hand yet.

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So if Theresa ends up with the agreement she reached at Chequers being given the green light at Chequers, and it honours the red lines drawn up on customs, sovereignty and free movement, most people would be happy, non?

Would that include you, Den?

That depends very much on what the end result is OB.

Carth · 10-07-2018, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Perhaps he could stand for Parliament again - 8th time lucky....

It's possible that there will soon be a great many angry and disillusioned people out there, just imagine if many of the people who voted leave decided to join UKIP . . .

what a way to register another kick to the rear ends of the 'main' parties