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**Hugh** · 20-11-2018, 16:51

Or ‘nefarious’ or ‘dominion’...

jfman · 20-11-2018, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As if the perfidious Irish government weren't bad enough, the equally perfidious Spanish government are now playing the Gibraltar card to stop the Brexit deal being agreed.

So it might not need to go to a parliamentary vote.

I ask the Remainers, why would you want to be part of Union that includes that lot? And that's in addition to the French you won't allow the CAP to be reformed, the Germans who are determined to run the EU and Italy about to go bust and take the Euro with it.

Collective economic growth? To keep the United Kingdom together?

Jacob Rees Mogg says it could be fifty years before we see the economic benefits of Brexit, by which time I’ll be long in the ground. That’s not even a guarantee that life will be better for our children in the long run.

As far as I can tell the only result of Brexit that is guaranteed is blue passports that ironically we have contracted to a French company.

Anyway I’m not really here to have the same argument over and over again I’m far more interested in the next few months as the consensus on leaving collapses.

It’s not even true that it’ll be an electoral disaster for either party to reverse the decision - leave and remain are statistical dead heat in all opinion polls.

jfman · 20-11-2018, 19:28

I wonder what the ECJ will say?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...BPTPlE?ocid=st

Pierre · 20-11-2018, 20:08

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Originally Posted by jfman

Post 3625 onwards. You replied and made some invalid points failing to fully understand that post, I replied again and the conversation went round in circles from there.

Impressive as seen as that was post 3413?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting development but not entirely surprising:

Spain Brexit: PM Sánchez threatens to vote no over Gibraltar

I suspect that Spain will be talked down from this position to ease things through but if they dig their heels in, this would be a problem.

He’ll be told to get back in his box by the unelected EU commission.

jfman · 20-11-2018, 20:14

3265, I transposed digits. The point is no less valid.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

He’ll be told to get back in his box by the unelected EU commission.

And it’ll be a nicer one than any of the two the UK has to choose from, unless of course we remain.

Mr K · 20-11-2018, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Impressive as seen as that was post 3413?

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He’ll be told to get back in his box by the unelected EU commission.

Unelected Queen, unelected House of Lords, unelected PM, no proportional representation. The EU is more democratic than we are.

**Hugh** · 20-11-2018, 20:29

Amusing how Rees-Mogg et al in the ERG (membership of around 70) insist they can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but can only get under 30 letters sent to the 1922 committee to challenge the leadership - they can't even convince themselves to do something...

jfman · 20-11-2018, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Amusing how Rees-Mogg et al in the ERG (membership of around 70) insist they can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but can only get under 30 letters sent to the 1922 committee to challenge the leadership - they can't even convince themselves to do something...

Indeed.

The Government just accepted five opposition amendments to the Finance Bill.

Not longer in a position to vote through their own budget in theory. Not that it matters, we still have the Emergency Budget to look forward to.

**Mick** · 20-11-2018, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Unelected Queen, unelected House of Lords, unelected PM, no proportional representation. The EU is more democratic than we are.

Queens don't get elected.

They can scrap the Unelected Lords for me.

Not this PR rubbish again - it is what it is and it is democratic and we are far more Democratic then those clowns will ever be.

jfman · 20-11-2018, 20:41

It’s not truly democracy unless Russian money can buy it.

**Mick** · 20-11-2018, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Amusing how Rees-Mogg et al in the ERG (membership of around 70) insist they can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but can only get under 30 letters sent to the 1922 committee to challenge the leadership - they can't even convince themselves to do something...

Sigh - Anybody could bloody get a better deal than what's on offer.

That said - These Brexiteer, character assassinations by you and fellow Remainers is getting tedious.

It must really hurt inside that leave won the "Democratic" choice.

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It’s not truly democracy unless Russian money can buy it.

Oh here now comes the Russia card. BORING.

Mr K · 20-11-2018, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Amusing how Rees-Mogg et al in the ERG (membership of around 70) insist they can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but can only get under 30 letters sent to the 1922 committee to challenge the leadership - they can't even convince themselves to do something...

Not very 'conservative' to be radical is it? TM probably reminds them of their headmistress and they are afraid of getting a smacked botty

( although some of them would enjoy that!)

To her credit she does seem to have put the country ahead of her party. Remaining of course would still be the best option and she may still achieve that by fair means or foul... Or just call it Brexit, but in fact be Remain. Its all in the labels and 'winners', 'losers'; the details and reality are irrelevant.

jfman · 20-11-2018, 20:55

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Oh here now comes the Russia card. BORING.

Inconvenient maybe, but far from boring.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Not very 'conservative' to be radical is it? TM probably reminds them of their headmistress and they are afraid of getting a smacked botty

( although some of them would enjoy that!)

To her credit she does seem to have put the country ahead of her party. Remaining of course would still be the best option and she may still achieve that by fair means or foul... Or just call it Brexit, but in fact be Remain. Its all in the labels and 'winners', 'losers'; the details and reality are irrelevant.

If the electorate accept the May deal as Brexit it will only confirm what many suspected.

It was about racism and xenophobia, and had nothing to do with EU red tape (we will still adhere to European standards) or striking our own glorious trade deals (the aforementioned virtually tying our hands behind our back).

**Mick** · 20-11-2018, 20:55

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Inconvenient maybe, but far from boring.

I beg to differ.

First you came out with nonsense that somehow Nigel Farage, influenced every single Leave voter, hours later, it is now changed to Russian money. Make your mind up springs to mind.

Leave won - Remain lost - it is called Democracy.

Pierre · 20-11-2018, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Unelected Queen, unelected House of Lords, unelected PM, no proportional representation. The EU is more democratic than we are.

Yawn.

Why do you and others traipse this out.

The queen has no executive power, and any perceived executive power is only symbolic.

The Lords only provide oversight - I would hapilly see Reform of the second chamber, I would not see it elected though. I would rather that people apply and are selected from a representative portion of society.

We elect parties based on policy, not individuals based on how nice they are , the party in power can elect their leader

The nation had a referendum in 2011, yes that’s right a referendum. The nation voted no to PR, is that another referendum you want to ignore and overturn?