Brexit (Old)

[Carth]

So . . no medicine, no food, no clothes, no cars, no ferries, no flights, no vacuums (Dyson lol) no banks, no utility services, and the police and armed forces in action quelling the mass riots and civil unrest.

Hospitals will close, fruit, veg & flowers will rot in the fields, chicken will have a funny taste to it, and the pound will only be worth 15 Yen.

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, the Irish are probably going to start their agro again.

Bring it on

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm not worried about anything we have had a referendum we are leaving ,any one can commission a pole and word the questions in such a way to sway the result in one direction ,and that's what makes them useless and irrelevant.

so even if it comes back that leave is now at 70% i would still say the figures are worthless .

They've asked the same question as they did in 2016 so that sorts out your first concern. And yes, anyone can commission a Pole, but commissioning a poll is harder.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Carth

So . . no medicine, no food, no clothes, no cars, no ferries, no flights, no vacuums (Dyson lol) no banks, no utility services, and the police and armed forces in action quelling the mass riots and civil unrest.

Hospitals will close, fruit, veg & flowers will rot in the fields, chicken will have a funny taste to it, and the pound will only be worth 15 Yen.

Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, the Irish are probably going to start their agro again.

Bring it on

That’s a very accurate appraisal for the chicken Littles amongst us.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Wind your neck in.............

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal

I believe these agreements need to be recognized by other regulators though. A state can't just issue it and be done with it, it's a process. Obviously the UK would be rapidly accepted but there might be disruption for a bit. Although I suspect it will be fudged.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45019603

I still don't think just leaving is realistic. The problem above is solvable but it's just one more item in a list of them. Institutions and businesses have just become to integrated with the rest of the world that to suddenly lose the mechanisms is a disruption the government will want to avoid at all costs. It's easy to suggest we just leave but we're not the ones implementing it and we're not the ones who the public will blame if it goes wrong.

Despite the bravado on here I don't think people will tolerate queues into Dover before losing their minds let alone huge economic disruption and job losses. Britain is not a country that is used to things going badly wrong for I think for some that leads them to think it can't.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's easy to suggest we just leave but we're not the ones implementing it and we're not the ones who the public will blame if it goes wrong.
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It's going to go wrong. No matter what. Anyone that thinks immediately after brexit things will carry on as they are, is deluded. It will be a mess regardless, it was always going to be.

The question is though in what would be our best position after we come out to get over the shock quickly and start rebuilding.

If we're still shackled to the EU then I think it will be harder for us to emerge stronger.

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's going to go wrong. No matter what. Anyone that thinks immediately after brexit things will carry on as they are, is deluded. It will be a mess regardless, it was always going to be.

The question is though in what would be our best position after we come out to get over the shock quickly and start rebuilding.

If we're still shackled to the EU then I think it will be harder for us to emerge stronger.

I don't think there is a reason why having a slow wind down of our integration with the EU is the wrong approach though. It took decades for these ties to be built up and people are being impatient in expecting to be untied in a couple of years.

Slowly detangling to avoid a big economic shock doesn't mean we don't leave. It just keeps the country as strong as possible before we move on.

If you're a Brexiter then I would think this is smart as well. If you pull the plug then how do you know what happens in the chaos? You can't predict what will happen with a new government and a panicked electorate. Maybe EEA seems like the nearest available lifeboat. Hence why there is an appetite among some Remainers, not me, to vote down May's deal and see what happens next. To shake the kaleidoscope and see where the pieces fall.

Even if that scenario is avoided then we would be a nation going into trade deals desperate for a deal. Hardly an advantageous scenario. Even relating to our negotiations with Europe I don't see how we get a better deal if we're in a free fall.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think there is a reason why having a slow wind down of our integration with the EU is the wrong approach though. It took decades for these ties to be built up and people are being impatient in expecting to be untied in a couple of years.

Slowly detangling to avoid a big economic shock doesn't mean we don't leave. It just keeps the country as strong as possible before we move on.

If you're a Brexiter then I would think this is smart as well. If you pull the plug then how do you know what happens in the chaos? You can't predict what will happen with a new government and a panicked electorate. Maybe EEA seems like the nearest available lifeboat. Hence why there is an appetite among some Remainers, not me, to vote down May's deal and see what happens next. To shake the kaleidoscope and see where the pieces fall.

Even if that scenario is avoided then we would be a nation going into trade deals desperate for a deal. Hardly an advantageous scenario. Even relating to our negotiations with Europe I don't see how we get a better deal if we're in a free fall.

I’m afraid the Remainers who vote or want a vote to ensure May’s proposed deal collapses will get a nasty shock when they realise that this results in a hard Brexit!

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

If we left with no deal, most if not all treaties would continue as normal until they were renegotiated.

So we should just leave with no deal and take it from there but most if not all treaties will continue? Schrödingers Brexit...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's going to go wrong. No matter what. Anyone that thinks immediately after brexit things will carry on as they are, is deluded. It will be a mess regardless, it was always going to be

Yup, exactly like it was sold to the Great British Public. Jeez ..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m afraid the Remainers who vote or want a vote to ensure May’s proposed deal collapses will get a nasty shock when they realise that this results in a hard Brexit!

Maybe but maybe the Brexiters will also be surprised at what's unleashed. The people involved in this process do not seem to know precisely what will happen and neither does anyone else

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yup, exactly like it was sold to the Great British Public. Jeez ..

I don't anyone believed we would just dance out of the EU, straight into economic utopia.

Don't take the UK public for fools

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe but maybe the Brexiters will also be surprised at what's unleashed. The people involved in this process do not seem to know precisely what will happen and neither does anyone else

Well, you would certainly get that impression from the press reports!

The media is bound to take this attitude because they do not have access to the confidential negotiations that are taking place.

I think most people will be pleasantly surprised when they see the result of the work that has gone into this, with a well constructed withdrawal agreement.

Then watch as the remainers shout from the rooftops that we will never get a trade deal. All very predictable.

For those who are genuinely worried about this, as opposed to those who are just making political points, while a hard Brexit would not result in the sky caving in, we will almost certainly have a negotiated withdrawal agreement within weeks. Don't listen to the scare merchants who would have you believe that the end of the world is nigh. They've been saying such things for many years and we are still here.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't anyone believed we would just dance out of the EU, straight into economic utopia.

Don't take the UK public for fools

But how much would they really tolerate in the name of Brexit? As I said it's easy to say we'll deal with it when it's theoretical with talk of GDP and just in time manufacturing.

However how much real consequence will people put up with? How much disruption before they get angry and demand the politicians do something, anything, to alleviate it?

That said I think there will be either a deal or a stalling mechanism by another name. I don't think either the UK or the EU will go with no deal because it's just a massive headache.

Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe but maybe the Brexiters will also be surprised at what's unleashed. The people involved in this process do not seem to know precisely what will happen and neither does anyone else

And the ones who really want to leave like me - do not give a shit one way or the other, leaving was not just about money FFS, we just want to get out of that cancerous club.

This is why we need to leave the EU in it's entirety - we do not need to be in a con job membership club to do trade deals. The other benefit is, we also save £39 Billion divorce bill, another con the corrupted EU said we owe them, they have robbed us and conned us for years - time to get on and leave that toxic shambolic union.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

And the ones who really want to leave like me - do not give a shit one way or the other, leaving was not just about money FFS, we just want to get out of that cancerous club.

This is why we need to leave the EU in it's entirety - we do not need to be in a con job membership club to do trade deals. The other benefit is, we also save £39 Billion divorce bill, another con the corrupted EU said we owe them, they have robbed us and conned us for years - time to get on and leave that toxic shambolic union.

In the spirit of 'innocent until proven guilty', in what way have we been 'robbed and conned' and what judicial actions have rectified this situation?