Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

So we shouldnt give kids any vaccines or any medication then?

I didn’t say that, you did.

As all medications and vaccine have side effects and some people can be allergic to them.

So don’t take ones you don’t need then.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Or…

Those statistics show that, since the vast majority of people were vaccinated against COVID, it helped reduce the death rates for all age groups, especially amongst the under-65s…

And the fact that most people were vaccinated, it reduced the viral load & infection rate/severity.

Comparative deaths from COVID in the USA, by age groups under 65, vaccinated vs unvaccinated

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ination-status

I will accept that would be factor, especially in say….the 30-60 age range. But theres no evidence that I have seen that would suggest if you were fit and healthy <30 years old. That the vaccines (and we should highlight it wasn’t just one) did anything for you.

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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.

My position has been clear all through this.

I’m not, and have never been, anti-vax. But you should only take things that you need, and choose to take.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn’t say that, you did.




So don’t take ones you don’t need then.

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I will accept that would be factor, especially in say….the 30-60 age range. But theres no evidence that I have seen that would suggest if you were fit and healthy <30 years old. That the vaccines (and we should highlight it wasn’t just one) did anything for you.

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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.

My position has been clear all through this.

I’m not, and have never been, anti-vax. But you should only take things that you need, and choose to take.

Thank you for that reasoned, and reasonable, reply - however (sorry, there’s always a "however" - it’s like "but", just seems politer), your comment about "full on" applies equally to those who identify as (re COVID specifically, but also applies to all-encompassing) "anti-vax" - this is how your assertion reads with the single "anti-" added…

What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole anti-vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Thank you for that reasoned, and reasonable, reply - however (sorry, there’s always a "however" - it’s like "but", just seems politer), your comment about "full on" applies equally to those who identify as (re COVID specifically, but also applies to all-encompassing) "anti-vax" - this is how your assertion reads with the single "anti-" added…

I can accept that, both positions can be true.

[jonbxx]

This paper is our friend here when it comes to safety outcomes of COVID and COVID vaccination in children- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-47745-z

This study looked at a cohort of 5.1 million children in the UK for vaccine side effects and infection effects to compare relative risks of both. Lots of in depth stats and a pretty heavy read as you might expect but here’s the critical paragraph in the conclusions;

In summary, we found no strong evidence for increased risks of 12 pre-specified vaccine safety outcomes following COVID-19 vaccination in children aged 5–11 years and no new significant safety concerns in 12–17-year-olds following vaccination with mRNA vaccines recommended for use in these age groups in the UK by the JCVI. Additionally, in unvaccinated children we found increased risks of hospitalisation from seven adverse outcomes including MIS-C and myocarditis following SARS-CoV-2 infection that were either not observed, or were reduced, following vaccination. Overall, our findings support a favourable safety profile of COVID-19 vaccination using mRNA vaccines in children and young people aged 5-17 years.

Something the NHS is really good at is collating big data!

[Itshim]

When I was a child we were taken to measles parties!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Itshim

When I was a child we were taken to measles parties!

same here, i have 5 cousin's and we all slept top n tail in a double bed at my aunts house for measles /chicken pox parties.

My kids did not need to go to specific measles parties, they all got it from attending nursery school.

[heero_yuy]

When I was a kid it was enough just to go to school to get the 4 major infections. I also had glandular fever which is a mercy to get the immunity when young.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy08...h-notification

Summary

- A company linked to Baroness Michelle Mone breached a £122m government contract by supplying unsterile personal protective equipment during the Covid pandemic, a judge rules

- The High Court says the firm must repay the government £122m in damages, with interest, by 15 October

- PPE Medpro - a consortium led by Mone's husband, Doug Barrowman - was paid £122m for supplying medical gowns in 2020

- The Department of Health rejected the gowns in December 2020 and told the company to repay the money - this did not happen

- The gowns remain in storage - in 2022, it was reported that storage cost £61,000 a week

- Mone - who recommended the company to the government through the "VIP lane" - initially denied being linked to PPE Medpro

- In 2023, she admitted to the BBC she lied about not being involved, and said her and her children could eventually benefit from the profits of around £60m

- "I should have said I am involved, straight away, but I didn't want the press intrusion for my family," she said

[thenry]

The couple should sell condoms with a hole in the tip

Baroness holey

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy08...h-notification

Excellent news.

[papa smurf]

they are going to appeal