Coronavirus

[Carth]

No good asking me, it aint my company.

Good to see you picked up on that though . . while missing the real question

[RichardCoulter]

Tomorrow's Daily Mirror headline is 'No jab, no entry' to restaurants, bars etc:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...cMu7BO0bbqqPuk

As I suspected, they won't want the political fallout of mandatory or forced vaccines, but it will be a Hobsons choice for a lot of people if this policy is introduced.

Will employers require it?

Meanwhile, if things go wrong, the manufacturers are immune from some civil liabilty:

https://fullfact.org/health/unlicens...vil-liability/

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Carth

Good to see you picked up on that though . . while missing the real question

OK then, let's look at your "real question". You've known at least a dozen people isolate for 7 days, and you're telling us with certainty that none of those infected the others? That's at least 12 completely separate weeks. A miracle indeed.

It also makes me wonder where these people are catching it, if there's no transmission to friends, family and colleagues.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Tomorrow's Daily Mirror headline is 'No jab, no entry' to restaurants, bars etc:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...cMu7BO0bbqqPuk

As I suspected, they won't want the political fallout of mandatory or forced vaccines, but it will be a Hobsons choice for a lot of people if this policy is introduced.

Will employers require it?

Meanwhile, if things go wrong, the manufacturers are immune from some civil liabilty:

https://fullfact.org/health/unlicens...vil-liability/

Good job there was no one around to tell Jenner not to experiment with finding a vaccination against smallpox.

[papa smurf]

OFF THE MARK Whitty & Vallance’s doomsday 4K daily Covid deaths winter scenario versus what actually happened revealed


SAGE doom-mongers were WRONG when they predicted 4,000 daily Covid deaths this winter before they plunged the country into a crippling second lockdown, a shocking graph shows.

The graph below shows the actual number of deaths compared to the grim "winter scenario" laid out by Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.

And according to The Spectator, this lower number of deaths over the last two weeks is not due to the second lockdown.

That's because it takes three to four weeks for changes in restrictions to show in Covid fatality data.

The current figures - which show daily deaths peaking at 425 on November 18 - actually reflects pre-lockdown infections, the report says.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/133438...-predications/

4K worst possible case if nothing was done - things were done...

If you jumped off a cliff head first, worst possible case is that your brains(?) would decorate the beach - if you decide not to jump, no decoration takes place.

Not hard to understand.

He said

I think I positioned that as a scenario from a couple of weeks ago, based on an assumption to try and get a new reasonable worst-case scenario. And if that didn't come across then I regret that.

Defending the dossier, he added: 'Those figures were ones done by major academic groups based on those assumptions and, in the spirit of trying to make sure that things are shared and open, they are the things that we have seen [in the data so far], and it's important and I think people see that.'

Professor Whitty conceded that the 4,000 daily deaths prediction was unlikely to come true because the modelling was a worst-case scenario based on a situation where no extra measures were brought in

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

4K worst possible case if nothing was done - things were done...

If you jumped off a cliff head first, worst possible case is that your brains(?) would decorate the beach - if you decide not to jump, no decoration takes place.

Not hard to understand.

He said

It is hard to understand for readers of The Sun.

There seems to be a lot of controversy over scotch eggs and whether they constitute a substantial meal. Take this opportunity to ban them permanently , for everyone's sake.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

4K worst possible case if nothing was done - things were done...

If you jumped off a cliff head first, worst possible case is that your brains(?) would decorate the beach - if you decide not to jump, no decoration takes place.

Not hard to understand.

He said

The media as all to often, especially over Covid-19, just stirring up nonsense.
Just as with all this "Scotch Egg" nonsense. The meaning of "substantial meal" has the same legal definition as it did a year or even FIFTY FIVE years ago under the Licensing Act 1964.
Venues could insist on people having had a vaccination, but it is purely down to them. Too much wilfully misinterpreting and applying "could" as "would".

[joglynne]

Just a thought but will we be given some form of verifiable certification that we have been vaccinated that can be produced to gain entry into these 'venues.' Maybe we will all get an indelible stamp on our foreheads? Or will everyone just be trusted to tell the truth and obey the rules. 'cause if the latter is the case I guess many people will do as they please ...as usual.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Just a thought but will we be given some form of verifiable certification that we have been vaccinated that can be produced to gain entry into these 'venues.' Maybe we will all get an indelible stamp on our foreheads? Or will everyone just be trusted to tell the truth and obey the rules. 'cause if the latter is the case I guess many people will do as they please ...as usual.

Ask the venues that might or might not require it. Their requirement, nobody else's.

[tweetiepooh]

Me thinks one reason for the England tiering is also geography. The tier one areas are either islands or have only a fairly small border on one side.
Just look at the "fun" in border areas where parts of a town are in one tier and other parts in another. Distances in the UK are generally small so it's easy if you are in a high tier to get to a lower tier place for whatever without travelling long distances.

[Hom3r]

To help protect our dad my said has said this Christmas we won't be over.

I'm a bit upset but understand.

So no Turkey in our house this year.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

To help protect our dad my said has said this Christmas we won't be over.

I'm a bit upset but understand.

So no Turkey in our house this year.

Cook it yourself it's not hard, plenty of instructions online.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Good job there was no one around to tell Jenner not to experiment with finding a vaccination against smallpox.

But on the other side of the coin everybody thought that Thalidomide etc was safe. People are going to have to weigh up the risks and downsides of whether to have the vaccination or not on an individual basis,

---------- Post added at 12:51 ---------- Previous post was at 12:48 ----------

Originally Posted by joglynne

Just a thought but will we be given some form of verifiable certification that we have been vaccinated that can be produced to gain entry into these 'venues.' Maybe we will all get an indelible stamp on our foreheads? Or will everyone just be trusted to tell the truth and obey the rules. 'cause if the latter is the case I guess many people will do as they please ...as usual.

The article suggests the app could be used for verification. The venues may want to put health before wealth, but may ultimately be forced to abandon this strategy for economic reasons.

What if employers insist on their employees having the vaccination to try and keep their premises Covid free and some decide that they don't want it? What if they then need to claim benefits? It's going to be a legal minefield.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

But on the other side of the coin everybody thought that Thalidomide etc was safe. People are going to have to weigh up the risks and downsides of whether to have the vaccination or not on an individual basis,

---------- Post added at 12:51 ---------- Previous post was at 12:48 ----------



The article suggests the app could be used for verification. The venues may want to put health before wealth, but may ultimately be forced to abandon this strategy for economic reasons.

What if employers insist on their employees having the vaccination to try and keep their premises Covid free and some decide that they don't want it? What if they then need to claim benefits? It's going to be a legal minefield.

I don't recall Thalidomide being a vaccine.