Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If someone tried to inject me with something labelled Phizer or AstraZenica, I would run a mile!

Aren't they the Chinese ones?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If someone tried to inject me with something labelled Phizer or AstraZenica, I would run a mile!

... guaranteed to protect you from Covis and Cornavizor.

I’ve got a bottle of Tizer in the fridge. I drink one glass per day and I’ve never had covid. Job’s a good’un.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’ve got a bottle of Tizer in the fridge. I drink one glass per day and I’ve never had covid. Job’s a good’un.

If you like Tizer, you'll love Thaisir. Now with added RNA to keep Covid at bay. Available on your favourite shopping websites.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’ve got a bottle of Tizer in the fridge. I drink one glass per day and I’ve never had covid. Job’s a good’un.

That's nothing. I'm stocked up with Waitrose Chianti.
Two glasses of that per day and it keeps Covid away.

OB obviously has the Aldi version of this prophylactic (whatever that means).

Originally Posted by Chris

I’ve got a bottle of Tizer in the fridge. I drink one glass per day and I’ve never had covid. Job’s a good’un.

I was just thinking that all that WKD and wine I drink really is working, no sign of the virus here.

Originally Posted by Paul

I was just thinking that all that WKD and wine I drink really is working, no sign of the virus here.

You sure?

One of the symptoms is losing your sense of (good) taste...

Quite sure, I love WKD.

This is drifting waaayyyyyy off topic now, time we got back to the subject at hand.

Looking at my local authority, cases have been steady since Jan 1st, and in fact the 7 day average is slowly falling.
They are currently about the same as back in late October, before Lockdown 2. Deaths have also been falling since the start of 2021.

Our main hospital is busy, but not overrun, in fact its reported they have taken a small number of cases from other areas.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

I normally resist the urge to be a grammar nazi but I make exceptions for people who presume to lecture others on the basis of their supposedly superior research. We are several months into this now, and these basic details are very accessible in the public domain.

I know how to spell it, Chris. As you well know, sometimes what you key in gets changed without you noticing.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That was a swine flu vaccine, not the SARS vaccine...

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...sed-narcolepsy

Also, the mRNA vaccines don’t utilise the COVID DNA, they use mRNA, which is a non-infectious, non-integrating platform, so there is no potential risk of infection or insertional mutagenesis.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

Also, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine uses modified DNA.

Thank you for those clarifications, Hugh. I don’t know why I said SARS - I was being called to do something so I hurried that message out!

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's nothing. I'm stocked up with Waitrose Chianti.
Two glasses of that per day and it keeps Covid away.

OB obviously has the Aldi version of this prophylactic (whatever that means).

B&M, actually. I got 2 for the price of 1. Bargain! It had added disinfectant, too.

[1andrew1]

UK excess deaths since start of pandemic surpass 100,000, data suggest

FT model builds on official statistics to reveal jump in mortality rates since mid-March

The number of deaths in the UK accelerated at the beginning of January as the effects of December’s wave of coronavirus cases raised mortality to levels not seen since last spring, according to official figures released on Tuesday. The Office for National Statistics said that 17,751 deaths were registered across England and Wales in the week ending January 8, the highest total since the final week of April last year.

The jump in mortality rates suggests that since the pandemic began, the UK’s total excess deaths — the number above the previous five-year average — has risen to well over 100,000, according to a Financial Times model that brings official figures, which have a two-week lag, up to date. The government reported on Tuesday that another 1,610 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 — the highest daily figure since the pandemic began.

However, the figure is unlikely to be a genuine daily record because many people died at the peak of the first wave without being tested. Excess deaths, which measures the total number of fatalities compared with normal levels, is not dependent on the levels of testing and indicated more than 2,000 daily deaths in the UK last April.

https://www.ft.com/content/5f7b58fb-...9-b71d328c6700

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

https://www.ft.com/content/5f7b58fb-...9-b71d328c6700

Quote:
UK excess deaths since start of pandemic surpass 100,000, data suggest

FT model builds on official statistics to reveal jump in mortality rates since mid-March

The number of deaths in the UK accelerated at the beginning of January as the effects of December’s wave of coronavirus cases raised mortality to levels not seen since last spring, according to official figures released on Tuesday. The Office for National Statistics said that 17,751 deaths were registered across England and Wales in the week ending January 8, the highest total since the final week of April last year.

The jump in mortality rates suggests that since the pandemic began, the UK’s total excess deaths — the number above the previous five-year average — has risen to well over 100,000, according to a Financial Times model that brings official figures, which have a two-week lag, up to date. The government reported on Tuesday that another 1,610 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 — the highest daily figure since the pandemic began.

However, the figure is unlikely to be a genuine daily record because many people died at the peak of the first wave without being tested. Excess deaths, which measures the total number of fatalities compared with normal levels, is not dependent on the levels of testing and indicated more than 2,000 daily deaths in the UK last April. jump in mortality rates suggests that since the pandemic began, the UK’s total excess deaths — the number above the previous five-year average — has risen to well over 100,000, according to a Financial Times model that brings official figures, which have a two-week lag, up to date. The government reported on Tuesday that another 1,610 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 — the highest daily figure since the pandemic began.

It’s not that appropriate to measure excess deaths and attribute all of them to Covid infections, much as some people would love to do that. A proportion of those deaths - heaven knows how many - can be attributed to lack of medical attention for other conditions that were ignored as all the stops were pulled out to tackle people with Covid.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s not that appropriate to measure excess deaths and attribute all of them to Covid infections, much as some people would love to do that. A proportion of those deaths - heaven knows how many - can be attributed to lack of medical attention for other conditions that were ignored as all the stops were pulled out to tackle people with Covid.

According to some of your previous statements, surely "they were going to die anyway"?

We will not avoid deaths by the measures being taken. We can only delay them.

While we’re on your previous statements..

13/4/20

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, it is. The difference being that currently there is no way we can treat it, because it is new. That was the government's concern, and that of governments around the world. The sudden heavy demand for hospital services, concentrated over a few short weeks, was the problem.

There is no doubt that the emergency measures have reduced numbers. I didn't claim that this was not the case. What I am saying is that so far at least, the number of recorded deaths is nowhere near those recorded for seasonal flu. Of course, they are still going up, but we appear to be reaching the peak now. It's a stretch to believe the final figure will be five times what we have now. Double, sure, maybe three times. But five times? Yeah, right!

8/4/20

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The infection rate has stabalised in the last few days, so now is not the time to be overly pessimistic, Mr K. This suggests that deathbrates will stabalise as well in about three weeks or so.

[joglynne]

Early days and only a small number of Pfizer vaccine reciprients but an interesting article.

Antibodies increase by 6 to 20 times after second Pfizer dose - Sheba Medical Center.

Results showed that antibodies were higher than those who suffered severe cases of the virus.

People who received their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine had a six- to 12-fold increase in the amount of antibodies produced to defend against the novel coronavirus, Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer reported Monday.
The results of preliminary research were based on 102 cases of medical personnel vaccinated at the hospital. They had more antibodies than people who were severely infected with the virus and recovered. Snip.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...e-sheba-655861

[jfman]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-than-we-hoped

The Guardian posting the same story in a slightly different way.

I wonder if this could provoke a rethink of the policy to rush out single vaccines for those countries who have and what (if any) consequence this could have for a vaccine resistant mutation emerging given what we think about the existing “new” variants.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

According to some of your previous statements, surely "they were going to die anyway"?

While we’re on your previous statements..

13/4/20


8/4/20

OB as ever can’t make up his mind. Our death rate isn’t that bad because other countries with slower vaccine rollouts will catch up,

That prompted me to ask the following, which he ignored.

Originally Posted by jfman

Old Boy the UK stats don't include everyone who dies of Covid - as you well know - it only includes those with a positive test within 28 days.

Also your opinion that other countries will catch up - and surpass - our death toll. That is pure conjecture on your part.

It also ignores their potential to do what you've claimed we should do all along which is just shield those at risk.

If it's that easy - and I'm offering you some latitude here - surely other countries could do it while rolling out their shiny 95% effective vaccines?

Or do you finally concede that 'just shield those at risk' never has been, and never will be, a credible Covid-19 response for anyone, anywhere in the world?

Now I appreciate that was in the Starmer thread, but I thought I’d ask in the rightful place that is the Coronavirus thread.

I guess I’m also curious as to what OB’s motives are in spreading contradictory misinformation throughout the pandemic. We know he can’t possibly believe it to be true given the contortions it would require.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-than-we-hoped

The Guardian posting the same story in a slightly different way.

I wonder if this could provoke a rethink of the policy to rush out single vaccines for those countries who have and what (if any) consequence this could have for a vaccine resistant mutation emerging given what we think about the existing “new” variants.

Agreed..

My other fear is that the push to give everyone an initial dose may mean that that any delay in getting Pfizer vaccines supplies into the UK in the future would leave thousands of vunerable people with limited and short lived cover.