13-09-2021, 15:52
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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Well, if that’s the kind of life you are happy to embrace, knock yourself out!
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OB said that 450/day die of cancer. Full fact.org says:
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Mr Melville told Full Fact he reached these figures by comparing government statistics for deaths recorded within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 result, and data from Cancer Research that showed an average of 450 people a day died from cancer between 2016 and 2018.
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Yes, that’s the other thing. The Covid figures come ready-inflated. Whilst an unknown number of patients in hospital may test positive for Covid, it appears that a significant number have not died because of it.
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13-09-2021, 16:24
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#7202
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
Chief medical officers now recommending that all UK 12-15 year olds get a single dose of vaccine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58547659
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13-09-2021, 16:45
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#7203
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vox populi vox dei
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
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How much £ will he make out of that.
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13-09-2021, 16:51
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Yes, that’s the other thing. The Covid figures come ready-inflated. Whilst an unknown number of patients in hospital may test positive for Covid, it appears that a significant number have not died because of it.
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This is where the ONS numbers are better than deaths with a positive test within 28 days. The ONS figures use cause of death as noted on the death certificate using WHO guidelines.
Here's the latest data. In the year to date, COVID was the number 1 cause of death. Table 11a is our friend here for the figures for England. Note that cancer is broken down by type but even if you add up the three cancers in the top ten (Lung at 5, colorectal at 8 and leukaemias at 10) they still don't add up to the numbers for COVID
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Just to add, where each disease ranks shouldn't necessarily mean that's how much effort is put in to treating. Dementia is always way up at the top of the causes of death but that is much more regarded as 'that's just getting old' than, say, certain types of cancer
Last edited by jonbxx; 13-09-2021 at 16:55.
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13-09-2021, 16:54
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
How much £ will he make out of that.
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It's all the CMOs that have agreed this.
Also you're mistaking Chris Whitty who doesn't have any Pfizer shares as far as I know with Sir Patrick Vallance.
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13-09-2021, 17:28
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cf.mega poster
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
2. That's what boosters are for.
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Nothing to do with the decline in immunity after a few months post vaccination then?
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13-09-2021, 18:40
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Rise above the players
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Nothing to do with the decline in immunity after a few months post vaccination then?
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That, too.
Incidentally, you get far more protection from actually contracting the virus. So if you get it while vaccinated, that’s a good thing.
If you are not vaccinated you may not be so lucky, although most don’t realise they’ve even had it.
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13-09-2021, 19:14
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That, too.
Incidentally, you get far more protection from actually contracting the virus. So if you get it while vaccinated, that’s a good thing.
If you are not vaccinated you may not be so lucky, although most don’t realise they’ve even had it.
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13-09-2021, 19:41
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The Invisible Woman
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That, too.
Incidentally, you get far more protection from actually contracting the virus. So if you get it while vaccinated, that’s a good thing.
If you are not vaccinated you may not be so lucky, although most don’t realise they’ve even had it.
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Link?
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13-09-2021, 20:22
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That, too.
Incidentally, you get far more protection from actually contracting the virus. So if you get it while vaccinated, that’s a good thing.
If you are not vaccinated you may not be so lucky, although most don’t realise they’ve even had it.
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Originally Posted by Maggy
Link?
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From a non peer-reviewed Israeli paper, which is specific to the Pfizer vaccine…
https://fullfact.org/health/maajid-n...cine-immunity/
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Professor Bangham said: “I think [this study is] very likely to be correct. I'd see no reason to doubt it. More importantly, it's exactly what any immunologist would expect to be true.”
Professor Paul Hunter, Professor in Medicine at The Norwich School of Medicine at the University of East Anglia, agreed. He told Full Fact: “Yes, the balance of evidence does suggest that natural infection will provide a more durable immunity especially to severe disease.
“But of course the downside of that is that during your first natural infection if unvaccinated you are just as much at risk of severe disease and death depending on your age and other risk factors at any time during the pandemic.”
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13-09-2021, 20:53
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Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
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Sounds like a supply issue going for a dosage interval not mandated anywhere in the world.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
That, too.
Incidentally, you get far more protection from actually contracting the virus. So if you get it while vaccinated, that’s a good thing.
If you are not vaccinated you may not be so lucky, although most don’t realise they’ve even had it.
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More great barrington bullshit
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13-09-2021, 21:00
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Rise above the players
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
More great barrington bullshit
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You really are so desperate for these emergency measures to stay, you are willing us to fail, aren’t you?
Here’s something else you might not like. I take it you are prepared to believe the ONS figures…
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...d-b955024.html
People who were fully vaccinated against Covid-19 accounted for only 1% of all deaths involving coronavirus that occurred in England in the first seven months of this year, new analysis shows.
Most were infected before they had received both jabs or had tested positive for Covid-19 within 14 days of their second dose.
The figures have been published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
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13-09-2021, 21:37
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#7213
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Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
You really are so desperate for these emergency measures to stay, you are willing us to fail, aren’t you?
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On the contrary I’m desperate for us to succeed because the alternative is lockdown to desperately recover the situation. As it always has been.
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Here’s something else you might not like. I take it you are prepared to believe the ONS figures…
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...d-b955024.html
People who were fully vaccinated against Covid-19 accounted for only 1% of all deaths involving coronavirus that occurred in England in the first seven months of this year, new analysis shows.
Most were infected before they had received both jabs or had tested positive for Covid-19 within 14 days of their second dose.
The figures have been published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
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I’m not sure why I’d not like ONS statistics. The cut off point is interesting. 
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13-09-2021, 21:38
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Sounds like a supply issue going for a dosage interval not mandated anywhere in the world.
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More great barrington bullshit
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Guessing you didn’t bother to read it then.
The risk/reward analysis with regards to protection against disease and risk of myocarditis is pretty clear. The second dose affords negligible additional protection in this age group while the risk of complications rises significantly.
But by all means, rock that tinfoil hat …
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13-09-2021, 22:36
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Wisdom & truth
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
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Does vaccinating a youth mean that cannot transmit COVID? That is the implication of the decision with words such as “reducing transmission”?
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