Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unfortunately I knew a bloke that was blasé about it. He's now dead. True he did have an underlying lung condition and not in the best of health, but had been double jabbed.
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Well……good comedy if nothing else.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

If the numbers converge yes, however the ONS studies have the number of people with antibodies falling. There are emerging cases of reinfection and people double vaccinated are becoming infected.

So while the theory is sound it certainly feels like there's a lot more at play.

The numbers, whether ONS or NHS, will converge even if only eventually.

The reinfections etc are being handled in the current phase.

[Carth]

Any idea why the antibodies in some (or all) people are falling?

Are they being 'destroyed' by the natural body immune system as 'fakes'?
Do they simply fade away over time -half life of 56 days?
Are they designed to decay, meaning the need for further shots and a money spinner?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well……good comedy if nothing else.

Laughing at someone’s death?

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Originally Posted by Carth

Any idea why the antibodies in some (or all) people are falling?

Are they being 'destroyed' by the natural body immune system as 'fakes'?
Do they simply fade away over time -half life of 56 days?
Are they designed to decay, meaning the need for further shots and a money spinner?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58270098

How long does protection last?

Antibody levels have been shown to decline over time, although this may not be important for preventing severe disease.

The immune system remembers viruses and vaccines so it can respond rapidly when an infection is encountered.

There are "memory T-cells" that linger in the body, and B-cells remain primed to produce a new flood of antibodies on demand. There is evidence of immune responses more than a year after infection and vaccine trials have also showed lasting benefit.

"In terms of durability, we're still waiting to see," said Prof Peter Openshaw, from Imperial College London.

It’s a new virus - there’s a lot we don’t know.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Carth

Any idea why the antibodies in some (or all) people are falling?

Are they being 'destroyed' by the natural body immune system as 'fakes'?
Do they simply fade away over time -half life of 56 days?
Are they designed to decay, meaning the need for further shots and a money spinner?

All antibodies are only a temporary protection, lasting a few months. But there are other parts to the immune system that are much longer lasting - it can be years to entire life, depending on the disease. We don't know how long this will last for COVID, but people who recovered from SARS-Cov-1 are still immune almost 20 years later, which is encouraging.

People who were vaccinated early in Israel are now getting reinfected because their antibodies have waned, but mostly don't get seriously ill because the other protections are still working.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

If the numbers converge yes, however the ONS studies have the number of people with antibodies falling. There are emerging cases of reinfection and people double vaccinated are becoming infected.

So while the theory is sound it certainly feels like there's a lot more at play.

The trouble with your approach, jfman, is that we will never reach a point at which you agree it’s safe to go back to normality.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The trouble with your approach, jfman, is that we will never reach a point at which you agree it’s safe to go back to normality.

There is no magical return to 2019, OB. The sooner you accept that, the better.

We could be multiple variants, waves and vaccination campaigns from ever reaching a “manage Covid like flu” situation.

It’s also not “my approach” it’s the approach of almost every single Government in the world. Even Sweden.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

There is no magical return to 2019, OB. The sooner you accept that, the better.

We could be multiple variants, waves and vaccination campaigns from ever reaching a “manage Covid like flu” situation.

It’s also not “my approach” it’s the approach of almost every single Government in the world. Even Sweden.

All governments will have to face reality sooner or later. It's already started to dawn on Australia and New Zealand that it is near impossible to stop the virus and that they will have to take a different approach when their people are fully vaccinated.

Your approach is permanent restrictions, and heavy reliance on lockdowns, which would not be accepted by the public. It would result in mass disobedience and would therefore be ineffective.

Buddy, you really need to give up on your prognostications - remember last September, when you said

Hospital admissions remain very low. The virus passing through the younger generation is to be welcomed as this will not generate a lot of increased deaths

And yet…

[jfman]

I know. I admire Old Boy’s perpetual optimism in a way, and that being proven incorrect persistently doesn’t prevent him from pursuing his ideological wet dream of no state intervening in a public health emergency.

Perhaps given the huge amounts being paid to consultants he should offer his services and guide some fledgeling economy through the wilderness into economic growth at the expense of it’s neighbours.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The trouble with your approach, jfman, is that we will never reach a point at which you agree it’s safe to go back to normality.

I think you may be missing a key point here which is, normality itself evolves.

We won't go back to how life was before Covid-19. we may get somewhere near it, but it won't ever be the same.

Two things that i can think of that have changed permanently.

1. WFH/Hybrid working.
2. Travel testing

On both of those we're down a path which we wont turn back from.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I think you may be missing a key point here which is, normality itself evolves.

We won't go back to how life was before Covid-19. we may get somewhere near it, but it won't ever be the same.

Two things that i can think of that have changed permanently.

1. WFH/Hybrid working.
2. Travel testing

On both of those we're down a path which we wont turn back from.

Reasonably insightful.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Reasonably insightful.

Apologies, I'll aim higher next time

[jfman]

Maybe the insight is reasonable as in well considered, balanced

[Carth]

Is insight part of the same function as foresight and hindsight?