Coronavirus

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Devastating news for some.

The same protection after two doses. That’s good news, isn’t it?

Except for those who prefer perpetual lockdowns, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

You mate Hancock didn't seem so sure this morning... Mind you he's not been able to make a decision or stop lying for the last year, he must get it from his boss !

He’s just hedging his bets in case Boris relents and extends the lifting of restrictions by two weeks.

Personally I think and hope he will keep his nerve and bring immediate relief to all those who are suffering under these restrictions. Enough is enough.

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Originally Posted by Paul

June 22nd has never been the date, its always been Monday June 21st.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him, so I’m glad this came from you!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The same protection after two doses. That’s good news, isn’t it?

I think you’ll find the rest of the quoted text is bad news.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him, so I’m glad this came from you!

From the man who confused hospitalisations and deaths.

If it’s any consolation we will still have masks, distancing and working from home on both dates. And the 23rd too.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good news, pip, reinforcing what some of us have been saying on here for a while now. I see absolutely no reason not to scrap all restrictions, including social distancing and mask wearing, from 21 June.

Removing ALL restrictions was never on the table. Only those for social contact and events.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...g-2021-summary

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I think you’ll find the rest of the quoted text is bad news.



From the man who confused hospitalisations and deaths.

If it’s any consolation we will still have masks, distancing and working from home on both dates. And the 23rd too.

I simply misremembered the post I was referring to. You are just misrepresenting people’s posts on a regular basis.

Let’s just stick to the subject under discussion. I thought you didn’t like personal attacks. Well, what was that?

[Hom3r]

I had my second AZ Covid-19 jab at 09:05 this morning.


Now waiting for potential side effects, my first I just had mild flu like symptoms so hoping the same or less

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

A Chinese military scientist filed a patent for a Covid vaccine before the pandemic was declared and mysteriously died just weeks later.

Yusen Zhou, who worked for the People’s Liberation Army, lodged the paperwork on behalf of the Chinese political party on February 24 last year, according to reports.

The first case of Covid was reported in Wuhan in December, 2019 - but the World Health Organisation did not declare a pandemic until March 11, 2020.

It means the vaccine patent was filed just a short time after China first admitted there was human-to-human transmission of Covid - and two weeks before a pandemic was officially declared.

"This is something we have never seen achieved before, raising the question of whether this work may have started much earlier," Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, of Flinders University, told The Australian*.

According to newspaper, Zhou "worked closely" with scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including Shi Zhengli - dubbed "batwoman" for her work on coronavirus in bats.

But Zhou mysteriously died less than three months after he filed the patent for the vaccine.

*The original report in The Australian is behind a paywall.

All sounds very suspicious.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

*The original report in The Australian is behind a paywall.

All sounds very suspicious.

It was a conspiracy theory when Trump mooted it, and talk of such was banned on Facebook as misinformation and fake news and derided by Trump opposition politicians, including the current incumbent president. The suggestion of it being an escaped manufactured virus was seen as being racist towards China.

However, now the Biden administration have suggested a link that COVID may have actually escaped from a lab, it's no longer a conspiracy theory and you can talk all you like about it on Facebook now with their blessing.

I wonder what else big tech companies, MSM and democrats will be seen to have wrong in the coming months/years but I guarantee you won't see any body on CNN saying, "well Trump had a point"

[jfman]

Some of the information around the supposed RaTG13 ancestor is quite interesting.

In that it might not actually exist at all.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Some of the information around the supposed RaTG13 ancestor is quite interesting.

In that it might not actually exist at all.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Bat-Coronavirus-RaTG13.aspx

RaTG13 is a SARS-related coronavirus found in bats and is highly similar to the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) virus. Specifically, the spike domain is highly similar, however, the receptor-binding site of SARS-CoV-2 diverges genomically and is closer to pangolin SARS-CoVs suggesting a possible recombination event between these viruses in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2.

[jfman]

It only got uploaded to the database after Covid-19 despite being “discovered” in 2013. By the Wuhan Institute.

There are no samples available for analysis to confirm it actually exists we just have their word for it. The theory goes it is to distract from the genuine lab ancestor.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It was a conspiracy theory when Trump mooted it, and talk of such was banned on Facebook as misinformation and fake news and derided by Trump opposition politicians, including the current incumbent president. The suggestion of it being an escaped manufactured virus was seen as being racist towards China.

However, now the Biden administration have suggested a link that COVID may have actually escaped from a lab, it's no longer a conspiracy theory and you can talk all you like about it on Facebook now with their blessing.

I wonder what else big tech companies, MSM and democrats will be seen to have wrong in the coming months/years but I guarantee you won't see any body on CNN saying, "well Trump had a point"

I won't be rushing to the front of the disinfectant injection queue, that's for sure.
Trump had so many crazy theories that like a broken clock, one would eventually be true. Whether this is the one we may never know.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

He’s just hedging his bets in case Boris relents and extends the lifting of restrictions by two weeks.

A leak in The Times suggests that a two-week extension is indeed on the cards.

Lockdown lifting set to be delayed by fortnight

Vaccines in race to keep up with Indian strain

Britain’s roadmap for easing lockdown could be delayed by a fortnight with cabinet ministers increasingly pessimistic after a “downbeat” briefing from Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...ight-bfvnthssj
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[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I won't be rushing to the front of the disinfectant injection queue, that's for sure.
Trump had so many crazy theories that like a broken clock, one would eventually be true. Whether this is the one we may never know.

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A leak in The Times suggests that a two-week extension is indeed on the cards.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...ight-bfvnthssj
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Ah the 2 Government doom mongers. The Indian variant in both India and Bolton {which had the largest cases in the UK) is now on the downturn. The panic should be over.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Ah the 2 Government doom mongers. The Indian variant in both India and Bolton {which had the largest cases in the UK) is now on the downturn. The panic should be over.

Covid cases are up 53% in the UK in the last week.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

June 21st unlocking isn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Covid cases are up 53% in the UK in the last week.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

June 21st unlocking isn't going to happen.

El gov has stated that the metric is hospitalisation, not case rates, except to the extent that there’s still a correlation between the two. If evidence continues to build that the vaccine has broken the link between catching covid and being seriously ill with it, the unlocking may proceed as planned, or else be delayed only a week or two.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

El gov has stated that the metric is hospitalisation, not case rates, except to the extent that there’s still a correlation between the two. If evidence continues to build that the vaccine has broken the link between catching covid and being seriously ill with it, the unlocking may proceed as planned, or else be delayed only a week or two.

Exactly this. It's looking better and better that the link between cases and hospitalisation is broken. Hopefully there will be enough evidence by next week when the decision is made but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a couple of extra weeks to absolutely confirm things and mop up the last few older peoples vaccinations (my second dose is next week for example)