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**Hugh** · 26-05-2021, 13:25

Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) put it best

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Four straight hours of of testimony from a self-interested narcissist who has weaponised falsehood challenging the record of a self-interested narcissist who has weaponised falsehood.

Taf · 26-05-2021, 13:28

Second jab done.

I had to go to the post office which is in a little shop. They had just had a restock so the aisles were packed with boxes. All 5 of the staff were packing it away. No masks. A guy was at the counter paying-in loads of coin. No mask. As I left, the doorway was blocked by a group of late teenagers, No masks.

jonbxx · 26-05-2021, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well this is quite fun!

It is, isn't it? This is a very different Dominic Cummings that the one we saw in the Number 10 Rose Garden last year. I might not have much time for the chap but he's clearly a very smart man.

Reserving judgement on how much is the truth but if he is spouting BS, he is very, very good at it. If he is lying, I would expect a swift call out of this by the Prime Minister any minute now...

**Hugh** · 26-05-2021, 13:36

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

It is, isn't it? This is a very different Dominic Cummings that the one we saw in the Number 10 Rose Garden last year. I might not have much time for the chap but he's clearly a very smart man.

Reserving judgement on how much is the truth but if he is spouting BS, he is very, very good at it. If he is lying, I would expect a swift call out of this by the Prime Minister any minute now...

Someone (@garius) I follow on Twitter put it quite well (imho)

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Something to remember about Cummings, if you are listening to this testimony:

He's NOT a mastermind. He IS someone who THINKS he's a mastermind.

That means he's not "spinning" here. But he IS an unreliable narrator.

So everything he's saying is what he THINKS is true.

That means a lot of it IS true, but some of it will only be PARTIALLY true. Think Star Wars or Game of Thrones (the book).

It's all true from his point of view or perspective, which he assumes - because he thinks he's always the smartest person in the room - is the ONLY view.

jonbxx · 26-05-2021, 13:44

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the Dom won't be on Nick Hancock's Christmas card list.

Did Matt Hancock run over his dog or something? He's really gunning for him!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Someone (@garius) I follow on Twitter put it quite well (imho)

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Something to remember about Cummings, if you are listening to this testimony:

He's NOT a mastermind. He IS someone who THINKS he's a mastermind.

That means he's not "spinning" here. But he IS an unreliable narrator.

So everything he's saying is what he THINKS is true.

That means a lot of it IS true, but some of it will only be PARTIALLY true. Think Star Wars or Game of Thrones (the book).

It's all true from his point of view or perspective, which he assumes - because he thinks he's always the smartest person in the room - is the ONLY view.

Oh, I never said he had integrity. Or wit, or charm. He's a disruptor and disruptive. I have no doubt that anything he says has an agenda. There is a role for people like that but maybe helping run a country isn't the right one...

Sephiroth · 26-05-2021, 14:17

I love it. I have no reason to disbelieve Cummings - he perfectly describes the politicians and what they care most about and apologised for his mistakes.

jfman · 26-05-2021, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I love it. I have no reason to disbelieve Cummings - he perfectly describes the politicians and what they care most about and apologised for his mistakes.

His observations have all been pretty good.

GrimUpNorth · 26-05-2021, 14:39

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I love it. I have no reason to disbelieve Cummings - he perfectly describes the politicians and what they care most about and apologised for his mistakes.

You do get the feeling that he truly believes everything he's saying is accurate. There's not many errs or umms which to me is normally a bit of a give away when someone's sticking to a story as apposed to what they consider the truth as that just flows without much thinking about.

Also, if he is being untruthful you would expect the Government to be falling over themselves to put him in his place. Cynically, it makes me wonder why they haven't .

Sephiroth · 26-05-2021, 14:50

It may be that Boris' days are numbered and that manoeuvres are well under way.

jfman · 26-05-2021, 14:53

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It may be that Boris' days are numbered and that manoeuvres are well under way.

Rishi has gone quiet.

1andrew1 · 26-05-2021, 14:55

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Rishi has gone quiet.

Praised by Cummings too.

Sephiroth · 26-05-2021, 15:52

Top class stuff. A pity about Hancock. Boris is no surprise - but he got off lighter than Hancock. Not by much though because Cummings lay into Carrie's influence on turning trivial side matters into priorities.

I do believe that Cummings has heralded what the official investigation will uncover.

1andrew1 · 26-05-2021, 17:04

Now turning the heat up on BoJo

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PM faces questions on 'bodies piled high' remark

Downing Street and the government are facing some really serious allegations.

Among them, are whether the PM made comments about seeing "bodies pile high" rather than take the country into a third lockdown.

The BBC reported the comments in April - but the prime minister denied making them in Parliament.

Cummings - however - has told MPs he DID hear the prime minister make the comments.

"I heard that in the prime minister's study" he said.

Boris Johnson is now likely to face more questions about whether he made the remarks - and if he misled Parliament by denying them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-57245479

papa smurf · 26-05-2021, 17:05

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It was interesting that Dominic Cummings didn't refer to BoJo's partner as Carrie but Boris's girlfriend. It suggests that DC did not have a good relationship with her.

He got sacked and is desperate for revenge, it'll be swept under the carped and forgotten about, meanwhile cummings is making himself unemployable.

1andrew1 · 26-05-2021, 17:10

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He got sacked and is desperate for revenge, it'll be swept under the carped and forgotten about, meanwhile cummings is making himself unemployable.

I would employ him.