Coronavirus

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Deep down you know it is. The whole thing is ridiculous now. You drive out of Preston and see a sign that says "Welcome to Lancashire". So where was I a minute ago?

<< Jo grins and nods her head, road signage can be very confusing>>

I live south of Manchester and when we moved here 50 odd years ago we lived in Lancashire. About 30 years ago Greater Manchester was formed. Our Bank still refuses to acknowledge the change in our address and to this day insists that we still live in Lancashire and refuses to use Gtr Manchester in correspondence.

I just hope that Lancashire doesn't take offence at being put behind Mr K's barricade due to his prejudice to those of us that live on the friendlier side of the Pennines.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Why are people allowed to travel to India

For the decision to delay putting India on the red list of countries, from which travel is heavily limited, and the decision to implement this not immediately but with a gap of just over three days - during which thousands of travellers from India entered the country amid a surge of demand for flights - happened in the shadow of one of the biggest of all political and economic stories of recent decades: Brexit...

Sealing a deal, even a provisional one, with one of the world's fastest growing and dynamic economies, has long been a goal for the prime minister.

The fact that he might be able to declare victory in the battle over Scotch, and the tantalising prospect of agreeing a deal before the EU - which is also in parallel trade discussions with India - only added to the allure.

All of which is why Mr Johnson had been so determined to make India the destination for his first major foreign visit as prime minister. The trip had originally been slated for January, but was delayed as the UK faced a sharp increase in COVID cases.

It was rearranged for late April, with Mr Johnson due to fly out for meetings and negotiations on April 25.

The working plan was that Mr Johnson would be able to announce that early discussions were now under way about a deal - and that formal negotiations would begin in the autumn. There would be talk of more visas for Indian migrants and of resolving the long-standing impasse on Scotch...

Even so, if the Indian variant establishes itself as the dominant strain in the UK, jeopardising the sacrifices and suffering during a third period of lockdown, the prime minister will come under increased scrutiny to answer why the decision was left so late to impose restrictions on travel from India, why travellers were given an extra three and a half days to come to the UK and why the rationale on which country is on or off these travel lists remains so murky.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...riant-12306393

[Sephiroth]

I can't see anyone disagreeing with the thrust of the Sky News article.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by joglynne

<< Jo grins and nods her head, road signage can be very confusing>>

I live south of Manchester and when we moved here 50 odd years ago we lived in Lancashire. About 30 years ago Greater Manchester was formed. Our Bank still refuses to acknowledge the change in our address and to this day insists that we still live in Lancashire and refuses to use Gtr Manchester in correspondence.

I just hope that Lancashire doesn't take offence at being put behind Mr K's barricade due to his prejudice to those of us that live on the friendlier side of the Pennines.

Friendly?! I've been to Barnoldswick, lucky to escape alive...
Still, all in jest, Lancashire G Manchester, all the same, usually wet and grim and full of plague
However I will gladly unite with my NW bretheren against the southern softies, come the revolution...

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by joglynne

<< Jo grins and nods her head, road signage can be very confusing>>

I live south of Manchester and when we moved here 50 odd years ago we lived in Lancashire. About 30 years ago Greater Manchester was formed. Our Bank still refuses to acknowledge the change in our address and to this day insists that we still live in Lancashire and refuses to use Gtr Manchester in correspondence.

I just hope that Lancashire doesn't take offence at being put behind Mr K's barricade due to his prejudice to those of us that live on the friendlier side of the Pennines.

I used to have some respect for your posts .

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...se-13-may-2021

SAGE have rushed out minutes of yesterday's meeting, warning of the danger posed by India's B.1.617.2 variant. As it usually takes several days for minutes to appear online, this looks like an effort to speak out before Monday's lifting of restrictions.

Their recommendation was to keep local restrictions in place where the B.1.617.2 variant has taken hold to buy time, and ramp up vaccination in and around those areas "as soon as possible".

But the PM doesn't believe "present evidence" shows any need to delay Monday's reopening.

There's no local measures, just a suggestion for people in those areas to "think twice".

And instead of surge vaccination, accelerating second doses for over 50s.

@_johnbye

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...se-13-may-2021

SAGE have rushed out minutes of yesterday's meeting, warning of the danger posed by India's B.1.617.2 variant. As it usually takes several days for minutes to appear online, this looks like an effort to speak out before Monday's lifting of restrictions.

Their recommendation was to keep local restrictions in place where the B.1.617.2 variant has taken hold to buy time, and ramp up vaccination in and around those areas "as soon as possible".

But the PM doesn't believe "present evidence" shows any need to delay Monday's reopening.

There's no local measures, just a suggestion for people in those areas to "think twice".

And instead of surge vaccination, accelerating second doses for over 50s.

@_johnbye

Asking people to do 'thinking' is a big ask.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...se-13-may-2021

SAGE have rushed out minutes of yesterday's meeting, warning of the danger posed by India's B.1.617.2 variant. As it usually takes several days for minutes to appear online, this looks like an effort to speak out before Monday's lifting of restrictions.

Their recommendation was to keep local restrictions in place where the B.1.617.2 variant has taken hold to buy time, and ramp up vaccination in and around those areas "as soon as possible".

But the PM doesn't believe "present evidence" shows any need to delay Monday's reopening.

There's no local measures, just a suggestion for people in those areas to "think twice".

And instead of surge vaccination, accelerating second doses for over 50s.

@_johnbye

Getting in before the Sunday papers and Sunday political shows is a shrewd move.

[Pierre]

Got to keep the fear going, India’s gonna get you. Stay scared! Stay home.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Got to keep the fear going, India’s gonna get you. Stay scared! Stay home.

Try telling that to the 4 people who have died from it, so far.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I can't see anyone disagreeing with the thrust of the Sky News article.

You can see how sorely tempting it would be from BoJo's perspective. Just before the elections he could demonstrate a Brexit trade benefit, show how the UK has batted for Scotland and put one over on the EU.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Try telling that to the 4 people who have died from it, so far.

Have the 127K, or thereabouts, all actually died from Covid? I know that they say that Covid is mentioned on the death certificates, but was that the actual cause?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Have the 127K, or thereabouts, all actually died from Covid? I know that they say that Covid is mentioned on the death certificates, but was that the actual cause?

Trust the ONS data as that is based on how the doctor wrote the cause of death and not the governments figures of died within 28 days of a positive post and that still puts the deaths well above 100K

Interesting read
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352

There is also those who died outside the 28 days and had pre existing conditions that were made considerably worse by covid leading to a premature death had they never had covid

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Got to keep the fear going, India’s gonna get you. Stay scared! Stay home.

Keeps the covid deniers grifting in the papers. A consistent employment opportunity.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Try telling that to the 4 people who have died from it, so far.

I can’t, they’re dead and I didn’t know them anyway, but whether it was 4 or 40 it’s still no reason not to continue opening up as planned.