12-02-2021, 15:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Good point.
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This thread is in danger of getting a bit cheerful so I thought I'd better share today's reminder of the huge economic cost the UK is facing.
https://www.ft.com/content/96e19afd-...e-a72bd1f60d3c |
Bear in mind, the hit to the economy will be even worse if we come out of lockdown too early.
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12-02-2021, 16:37
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
It's optional?.
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Of course it's optional, one of the benefits of living in a free society.
Or at least we used to, not so sure anymore.
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A further issue is that with wide spread media and reporting small anomalies are inflated. Statistically that may not be that important but it is to those involved, at what point does policy change to cover that anomaly? .
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Mr Nail, meet Mr Hammer, how's your head.
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12-02-2021, 17:04
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Of course it's optional, one of the benefits of living in a free society.
Or at least we used to, not so sure anymore.
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If you frame my quote in context you'll note I'd never disputed that point.
You should be hoping it's mandatory it's the only chance you've got of restrictions easing soon. And even then, I'd describe it as slim.
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12-02-2021, 17:37
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Of course it's optional, one of the benefits of living in a free society.
Or at least we used to, not so sure anymore.
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Mr Nail, meet Mr Hammer, how's your head.
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I lived in West Berlin for a couple of years during the Cold War, and was very cognisant (it was my job) of the situation about peoples and societal freedom in East Germany and the Soviet Bloc - trust me, we are nowhere near, or even on the road, to those sort of conditions.
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12-02-2021, 18:31
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I lived in West Berlin for a couple of years during the Cold War, and was very cognisant (it was my job) of the situation about peoples and societal freedom in East Germany and the Soviet Bloc - trust me, we are nowhere near, or even on the road, to those sort of conditions.
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He’s trying to drop ideas so subtly change the minds of people into thinking it’s a battle for freedom. On the Current Affairs section where I’ve never seen anyone change their minds, ever. 
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Some good news for Pierre from Professor Lockdown/Pantsdown (delete as applicable).
Clearly decided he will get more Government coin and media appearances by going all Karol Sikora.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-neil-ferguson
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12-02-2021, 18:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
There is always one. 
All adults will never vaccinated, there will always be those that are not.
That of course is before you even start thinking about those who turn 18 after the current programme of vaccinations has finished.
As the saying goes, an Ex is a has been, and a Spurt is a Drip under Pressure.  |
Plus we don't yet know how long those that are vaccinated will be protected for either.
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12-02-2021, 20:45
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I lived in West Berlin for a couple of years during the Cold War, and was very cognisant (it was my job) of the situation about peoples and societal freedom in East Germany and the Soviet Bloc - trust me, we are nowhere near, or even on the road, to those sort of conditions.
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Of course.
The UK would never jail anyone for 10 years for failing to say they visited certain countries, because that would be totally draconian.
Oh ... wait ..... 
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Those who fail to quarantine in a designated hotel face fines of £5,000 to £10,000. Anyone who lies on their passenger locator form about having been in a country on the red list will face a prison sentence of up to 10 years.
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12-02-2021, 21:08
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
Of course.
The UK would never jail anyone for 10 years for failing to say they visited certain countries, because that would be totally draconian.
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I suspect jailing East Germans for failing to say they visited certain countries was never too much of an issue. 
Last edited by 1andrew1; 12-02-2021 at 21:31.
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12-02-2021, 21:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I suspect jailing East Germans or failing to say they visited certain countries was never too much of an issue. |
How about the best part of a year under house arrest, not allowed to meet your family or friends, only allowed out for 1 hours exercise per day, not even allowed to go to work............
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12-02-2021, 21:34
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
How about the best part of a year under house arrest, not allowed to meet your family or friends, only allowed out for 1 hours exercise per day, not even allowed to go to work............
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Who would that be?
I can go to the shops, walk the dog (not in the shops), and when not in lockdown, I went to restaurants and met friends in pub beer gardens - that’s not "house arrest"...
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Of course.
The UK would never jail anyone for 10 years for failing to say they visited certain countries, because that would be totally draconian.
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Yes, because a country with a law which states you will be imprisoned if you don’t follow quarantine rules when entering the country from abroad is exactly the same as a State which built a wall with machine-gun posts, mine-fields to keep it’s citizen in, and had everyone terrified of it’s Secret Police...
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12-02-2021, 21:52
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Who would that be?
I can go to the shops, walk the dog (not in the shops), and when not in lockdown, I went to restaurants and met friends in pub beer gardens - that’s not "house arrest"...
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Yes, because a country with a law which states you will be imprisoned if you don’t follow quarantine rules when entering the country from abroad is exactly the same as a State which built a wall with machine-gun posts, mine-fields to keep it’s citizen in, and had everyone terrified of it’s Secret Police... |
So to sum up you can go out for exercise and get some food shopping, enjoy your freedom. your dog has more freedom than you do.
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Last edited by papa smurf; 12-02-2021 at 22:00.
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12-02-2021, 23:09
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
Sound of goal posts moving...
I have no issues with some personal inconvenience to help save others lives - I don’t confuse inconvenience with oppression...
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12-02-2021, 23:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Sound of goal posts moving...
I have no issues with some personal inconvenience to help save others lives - I don’t confuse inconvenience with oppression...
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Off topic, but I wanted to alert Hugh (and any others with a dog) to this:
Be careful when you walk the dog, there has been a massive increase in dog theft. People are even having their dogs forcibly taken from them whilst taking them for a walk. There was an attempted theft of a friends dog yesterday by a man in a van facing the wrong way! With lockdown there are less people milling about too.
It's up 250% this year alone:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55995738
Last edited by RichardCoulter; 13-02-2021 at 00:43.
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12-02-2021, 23:58
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Sound of goal posts moving...
I have no issues with some personal inconvenience to help save others lives - I don’t confuse inconvenience with oppression...
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Unfortunately many of the self centred citizens in the UK (and a few on here) can't see the difference.
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13-02-2021, 01:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Sound of goal posts moving...
I have no issues with some personal inconvenience to help save others lives - I don’t confuse inconvenience with oppression...
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Though apparently you confuse inconvenience & 10 years in jail.
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