Coronavirus

[Carth]

I see they're now harping on about the 'possible' long term effects that 'might' be suffered by the younger generation that 'could' catch Covid 19 if we remove restrictions.

Could the Govt. and health experts please show the same consideration towards the older generation, the ones at risk from 'possible' short term effects that 'might' result from an altercation with a bunch of the knife wielding younger generation?

[Pierre]

The over precautionary approach to this is just ridiculous.

I think Johnson will do a halfway house, lift remaining restrictions in U.K. but keep travel restrictions or something like that.

He’s not going to remove all restrictions that much now seems certain but he’ll throw the plebs a bone.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's all getting a bit much now you risk your life getting vaccinated and your reward is more lockdown until we have inoculated every one, next it will be cats and dogs, rabbits gerbils, tortoises, goldfish ..........

I think some people are being silly about this.

[Mr K]

I haven't had a cold now for a couple of years, a personal best,. Or put with noisy colleagues and their BO, or boring relatives; Xmas was bliss. No doorstep sellers either. Even next door darent ask for their ball back, or moan about the height of the hedge. .

There are lots of benefits to social distancing, its the way forward and I don't know what people are moaning about.

Originally Posted by Carth

I see they're now harping on about the 'possible' long term effects that 'might' be suffered by the younger generation that 'could' catch Covid 19 if we remove restrictions.

Could the Govt. and health experts please show the same consideration towards the older generation, the ones at risk from 'possible' short term effects that 'might' result from an altercation with a bunch of the knife wielding younger generation?

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/long...ariant-1037846

“The one potential risk, however, is [the Delta variant] does appear to be affecting younger patients, and the risk of developing long Covid does appear to be higher in the 35 to 50-year-olds, suggesting the impact of the latest wave may be greater.”

His concerns were echoed by a second expert, who said that if the UK’s vaccination programme succeeds in fully vaccinating 80 per cent of the population, including 12- to 18-year-olds, then Britain would be likely to emerge “largely unscathed” from the Delta variant.

But Professor James Naismith, director of Oxford University’s Rosalind Franklin Institute, warned the country was also in a race between vaccination rates and the spread of the virus – one result of which could be a rise in long Covid cases among the young.

Referring to the effort to reach the 80 per vaccination figure, he said: “We’re not there yet – there is a genuine possibility that a large number of [Delta variant] cases could result with long Covid complications in significant numbers of young people and an increase in deaths of the vulnerable.”

Long Covid, also known as post-Covid syndrome, is used to describe the effects of the virus that continue for weeks or months beyond the initial illness. Common long Covid symptoms include fatigue, shortness of breath, chest pain or tightness, problems with memory and concentration, insomnia, dizziness, joint pain, depression and anxiety, tinnitus and diarrhoea.

Younger people are much more likely to be infected than people aged over 50. Experts believe a speedy completion of the vaccination programme is crucial in not only preventing a further rise in cases, but also as a potential treatment for the long Covid.

“If you don’t get Covid, you can’t get a long Covid,” Dr Strain said. “Interestingly we have just completed the survey of around 900 people living with long Covid who reported on average the symptoms got about 20 to 25 per cent better after a vaccine, suggesting that the vaccine may not only be preventing long Covid, but actually is potentially a treatment going forward.”

Figures released by the Office for National Statistics on Friday showed that at least one million people in the UK were experiencing long Covid symptoms at the beginning of last month – of whom nearly 400,000 had been dealing with their symptoms for at least a year.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The over precautionary approach to this is just ridiculous.

I think Johnson will do a halfway house, lift remaining restrictions in U.K. but keep travel restrictions or something like that.

He’s not going to remove all restrictions that much now seems certain but he’ll throw the plebs a bone.

There’s zero chance of this. The data simply doesn’t support it.

If anything he will be throwing a bone your way by inventing some easement as yet never mentioned and put it under the banner of “progress towards freedom” and throw in some generic wartime references for good measure.

For all the difference it will make. I paid a brief visit to Englandshire this week and I was shocked at the high level of mask refuseniks amongst the great unwashed, shuffling around Morrison’s next door to my hotel. For some people this whole global pandemic malarkey is just yesterday’s news.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

For all the difference it will make. I paid a brief visit to Englandshire this week and I was shocked at the high level of mask refuseniks amongst the great unwashed, shuffling around Morrison’s next door to my hotel. For some people this whole global pandemic malarkey is just yesterday’s news.

Was it a cheap deal English beer and wine run ? Denied to Scottish punters as you can't be trusted as much as the 'great unwashed' ?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think Johnson will do a halfway house, lift remaining restrictions in U.K. but keep travel restrictions or something like that.

Travel restrictions and mandatory self-isolation aren't even up for consideration. It's only social contacts and events.

You might be allowed more than 30 at your wedding if you're lucky

Originally Posted by Mr K

Was it a cheap deal English beer and wine run ? Denied to Scottish punters as you can't be trusted as much as the 'great unwashed' ?

First visit to mum’s nursing home since February 2020

[jfman]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Travel restrictions and mandatory self-isolation aren't even up for consideration. It's only social contacts and events.

You might be allowed more than 30 at your wedding if you're lucky

The state broadcaster and the Daily Mail are already running their delay stories if you believe the Government are laying the groundwork for bad news.

[jfman]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...aying-21-june-

Even the Spectator now trotting out the benefits of delay. I’m in shock.

A delay in full withdrawal has been obvious for a week or more, the only question is how long for, and what (if anything) will be lifted on Jun 21.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s zero chance of this. The data simply doesn’t support it.

If anything he will be throwing a bone your way by inventing some easement as yet never mentioned and put it under the banner of “progress towards freedom” and throw in some generic wartime references for good measure.

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat.

What I would like to see is an abandonment of the legal requirement to wear masks and socially distance. That will enable businesses that are suffering or unable to open to get back on their feet. They have limited impact on transmission anyway, particularly during the summer.

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Originally Posted by Chris

For all the difference it will make. I paid a brief visit to Englandshire this week and I was shocked at the high level of mask refuseniks amongst the great unwashed, shuffling around Morrison’s next door to my hotel. For some people this whole global pandemic malarkey is just yesterday’s news.

I will celebrate with a mask-burning barbecue when this ridiculous legislation is finally abandoned.

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Originally Posted by jfman

The state broadcaster and the Daily Mail are already running their delay stories if you believe the Government are laying the groundwork for bad news.

Or maybe the media is simply sensationalising, yet again.

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Originally Posted by Paul

A delay in full withdrawal has been obvious for a week or more, the only question is how long for, and what (if anything) will be lifted on Jun 21.

Clearly, that is not the only question. It’s more complicated than this, and the scientists are going into apocalyptic mode. It must be the stress of it all.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat.

Infections up

Hospitalisation up very slightly

Deaths down

Vaccines doing their job

Can we have our lives back now