Coronavirus

[Julian]

Had a call from my surgery that they had some leftovers and would I like some.

Be here in 20 minutes.

So I nipped up and had a quick jab of Oxford.

Apparently they aren't always using the same supplier for the second dose and have mixed for people ....

[Mr K]

People are revealing their ages on this thread. The average age on CF seems to be >60.
I'm a long way off being vaccinated

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

People are revealing their ages on this thread. The average age on CF seems to be >60.
I'm a long way off being vaccinated

I got my vaccine as I am on the extremely vulnerable list

[Pierre]

It’s all a bit previous.

No vaccines have been around long enough for any meaningful real world data.

So just keep going. Stick to the course. Deaths and infections are all heading back down.

We’ll all need further jabs, on an annual basis anyway - don’t listen to the media scare mongers and worry warts.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Julian

I got my vaccine as I am on the extremely vulnerable list

Fair enough. Supporting Southampton can be terrible for your health

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s all a bit previous.

No vaccines have been around long enough for any meaningful real world data.

So just keep going. Stick to the course. Deaths and infections are all heading back down.

We’ll all need further jabs, on an annual basis anyway - don’t listen to the media scare mongers and worry warts.

And deaths will go up next winter. Our PM told it would all be over by Xmas. Today they've hurried out statements about having every confidence in vaccines, a bit like a football chairman giving confidence in the manager, just before he sacks him....
They don't know, its beyond their control; they promise stupid things as people demands dates and they crave the next nice happy headline.

It is more than likely going to be an issue for decades. We'll adapt but life will change permanently. That's not a message they want to give.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s all a bit previous.

No vaccines have been around long enough for any meaningful real world data.

So just keep going. Stick to the course. Deaths and infections are all heading back down.

We’ll all need further jabs, on an annual basis anyway - don’t listen to the media scare mongers and worry warts.

Deaths and infections are going down because of lockdown. There’s no discernible difference between the trend for the vaccinated age groups and unvaccinated age groups (yet).

Big couple of weeks coming up though.

My concerns aren’t about the vaccines as such, however if people get carried away putting too much faith in them and open everything up too soon we could find ourselves in a much worse situation later in the year.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And deaths will go up next winter. Our PM told it would all be over by Xmas. Today they've hurried out statements about having every confidence in vaccines, a bit like a football chairman giving confidence in the manager, just before he sacks him....
They don't know, its beyond their control; they promise stupid things as people demands dates and they crave the next nice happy headline.

Take your tinfoil hat off

It is more than likely going to be an issue for decades. We'll adapt but life will change permanently. That's not a message they want to give.

Good too see you’re making good use of your degree “ in the bleeding’ obvious”

It’s going to be an issue, for ever. Hopefully one we can mitigate with an annual vaccine and build up natural immunity.

I don’t think life will change to a massive degree.

Again, I will remind everyone that this is a disease that 99.2% of people in the U.K. recover from without vaccines. So if vaccines can protect that 0.8% to any degree, we’re winning.

[jfman]

Ah placebo vaccine induced herd immunity. This is a new concoction.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Take your tinfoil hat off



Good too see you’re making good use of your degree “ in the bleeding’ obvious”

It’s going to be an issue, for ever. Hopefully one we can mitigate with an annual vaccine and build up natural immunity.

I don’t think life will change to a massive degree.

Again, I will remind everyone that this is a disease that 99.2% of people in the U.K. recover from without vaccines. So if vaccines can protect that 0.8% to any degree, we’re winning.

What about Long COVID?

btw, 0.8% of the U.K. population is 528,000 - that’s a lot of deaths...

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw, 0.8% of the U.K. population is 528,000 - that’s a lot of deaths...

He didnt say Deaths.

Now we have vaccines, and within a year will have vaccinated everyone - it should be just like the other so called "deadly" virus, get a top up, and carry on.

We dont lockdown, or even worry about the Flu - every year the most vulnerable get jabbed, and carry on (despite the fact it kills thousands) and the rest of us dont even think about it.

We will likely just need to keep an eye out for mutations (again like the flu) and they likely will be far less frequent as less and less people get infected.

Get enough immune and in theory you could eradicate it completely as it wont have anyone left to infect.

* Tin foil hats will of course still be available for the doom & gloom merchants.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Deaths and infections are going down because of lockdown.

You don’t know that for certain.

There’s no discernible difference between the trend for the vaccinated age groups and unvaccinated age groups (yet).

Big couple of weeks coming up though.

My concerns aren’t about the vaccines as such, however if people get carried away putting too much faith in them and open everything up too soon we could find ourselves in a much worse situation later in the year.

We’ve vaccinated 12M at least 12M have had it that’s at least 24 million that have increased immunity. 1 in 3 as a conservative estimate should now have a level of immunity.

I think opening up by end of March is not an unreasonable prospect.

[jfman]

As ever Pierre while I admire your consistent optimism on such matters I don't look forward to your disappointment as your predictions remain unfulfilled.

How long did the schools last in January? One day? Two?

Having a previous variant of Covid does little to protect against the SA variant, neither does it prevent or reduce severe outcomes. So unless we get test, trace, isolate working and lockdown to eliminate it then we are no more than ten weeks from crisis point as we were last January.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

As ever Pierre while I admire your consistent optimism on such matters I don't look forward to your disappointment as your predictions remain unfulfilled.

How long did the schools last in January? One day? Two?

Having a previous variant of Covid does little to protect against the SA variant, neither does it prevent or reduce severe outcomes. So unless we get test, trace, isolate working and lockdown to eliminate it then we are no more than ten weeks from crisis point as we were last January.

Will you publish your findings on that, it would make interesting reading.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think opening up by end of March is not an unreasonable prospect.

I suspect any opening-up would occur after the Easter school holidays which end for a lot of the country on 16th April. But I think opening-up depends on how well we can control these new variants.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Will you publish your findings on that, it would make interesting reading.

I won't publish anything I'm just a bloke reading the internet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt....co/K5zY4ZcSMV

It turned up as a finding in the placebo group for the Novovax vaccine in South Africa.