Coronavirus

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm surprised a nurse doesn't know it takes time for the immune system to build a defence.



https://www.gov.uk/government/public...less%20severe.

They know that, it was Joe Public generally I was referring to.
No such thing as no risk in a hospital at the moment. They can't exactly work from home like the rest if us. Staff sickness and isolation is seriously disrupting the NHS. Wonder if Boris has this factored in to his vaccination programme?

[papa smurf]

Norway urgently changes Covid vaccine guidance after 23 die in days following Pfizer jab

The European nation reported that 23 elderly people have died within days of taking the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths said to be related to "side effects". All those who suffered supposed side effects were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...navirus-update

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They know that, it was Joe Public generally I was referring to.
No such thing as no risk in a hospital at the moment. They can't exactly work from home like the rest if us. Staff sickness and isolation is seriously disrupting the NHS. Wonder if Boris has this factored in to his vaccination programme?

Always looking for the positives..

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I don't think I have ever seen the notion put forward that the vaccine gives anyone "immunity." The aim is that the antibodies it creates enable our immune systems to react to the virus a lot quicker thus staving off the worse effects of the covid-19 infection. If it did make us all immune then we would, in theory, be able to wipe out the virus which is not something has ever been on the table.

I would, though, love it is someone could give me a link to show that immunity via a vaccination for covid is possibly. It would certainly take away all my fears considering my immune system problems.

Depends how you define "immunity". The aim of a vaccine is that if the person gets the virus, their immune system can respond a lot quicker than a first time infection, and therefore before the person reaches the stage of being infectious to others. The fewer people able to reach the infectious stage, the fewer people they can pass it on to.

[1andrew1]

Good news.

COVID-19: Every UK adult could be vaccinated by mid-July - if these figures are anything to go by

It's hard to judge progress on the UK's vaccine rollout, but Scotland's data gives a key insight, writes Sky's Rowland Manthorpe.

For a few hours this week, we were given an insight into the closely-guarded secret at the centre of the UK's vaccination programme.

It came courtesy of the Scottish government, which published its vaccination plan on Wednesday.

The plan included detailed figures for the number of vaccines that would be supplied to Scotland by the UK each week until the end of May.

The UK government objected, saying the publication of the figures would create difficulties for the pharmaceutical companies, and the offending page was quickly removed - but not before some clever internet users were able to save a copy.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...go-by-12188909

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Norway urgently changes Covid vaccine guidance after 23 die in days following Pfizer jab

The European nation reported that 23 elderly people have died within days of taking the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths said to be related to "side effects". All those who suffered supposed side effects were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...navirus-update

Did they die of the Pfizer jab or something else and just so happened to have had it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They know that, it was Joe Public generally I was referring to.
No such thing as no risk in a hospital at the moment. They can't exactly work from home like the rest if us. Staff sickness and isolation is seriously disrupting the NHS. Wonder if Boris has this factored in to his vaccination programme?

Loads of positions in the NHS can be done at home. of course doctors, nurses, technicians, porters etc can’t.

But loads of back office, managerial and administrative ones can.

Same as any key sector, such as telecom. The guys in the field and operational people need to be there, but lots of the workforce can WFH.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Loads of positions in the NHS can be done at home. of course doctors, nurses, technicians, porters etc can’t.

But loads of back office, managerial and administrative ones can.

Same as any key sector, such as telecom. The guys in the field and operational people need to be there, but lots of the workforce can WFH.

Ah but there's PFI car parks to be filled, W H Smiths to sell crap and Costas going without customers. At £4 a vaccine it's good value for the economy.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Loads of positions in the NHS can be done at home. of course doctors, nurses, technicians, porters etc can’t.

But loads of back office, managerial and administrative ones can.

Same as any key sector, such as telecom. The guys in the field and operational people need to be there, but lots of the workforce can WFH.

According to the Kings Fund, that’s about 201k out of 1.3 million - approx. 15%...

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project.../nhs-workforce

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

According to the Kings Fund, that’s about 201k out of 1.3 million - approx. 15%...

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project.../nhs-workforce

The wonderful thing about a term like "loads" is it's subjective, and not clearly defined. All that it really implies that the person who said it thinks there are "too many".

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by jfman

Did they die of the Pfizer jab or something else and just so happened to have had it.

"Of those deaths, 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tients-over-80

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The wonderful thing about a term like "loads" is it's subjective, and not clearly defined. All that it really implies that the person who said it thinks there are "too many".

A bit like "local" in the lock down rules.

According to a friend working in NHS Scotland critical care, those hospitals that originally intended to use their discretion to give second doses to those already scheduled have now given up doing so. Officially it’s because they have decided to comply with national policy. The real reason is that the Pfizer vaccine is causing significant side effects in 40-50% of recipients of the second dose. Headaches, nausea, hives, all the usual, and severe enough to keep people off work for a couple of days. As you can imagine the last thing hospitals need right now is additional staff sickness. So nobody is now getting a rapid second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. I imagine that if you’re already very frail there are significant risks for you from the Pfizer vaccine.

[spiderplant]

Info on side effects here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vid-19-vaccine
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...accine-moderna

My parents (83 & 85) both had their first Pfizer jab on Thursday. Dad has a sore arm; mum has no side effects so far.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

The wonderful thing about a term like "loads" is it's subjective, and not clearly defined. All that it really implies that the person who said it thinks there are "too many".

Now, now, stop implying that I’m implying anything just to fit your skewed narrative.

201K however is “loads” and if they can WFH they should be, as per guidance.