General : Virgin TV (2024)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

Such a shoddy application of the “free market” is a race to the bottom for everyone. You can repeat your flawed logic all you please. It makes it no more correct or palatable that there are unscrupulous companies operating in the market for essential services or utilities.

I don’t need my hand held as I rinse retentions year upon year.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

Such a shoddy application of the “free market” is a race to the bottom for everyone. You can repeat your flawed logic all you please. It makes it no more correct or palatable that there are unscrupulous companies operating in the market for essential services or utilities.

I don’t need my hand held as I rinse retentions year upon year.

Since when is a TV delivery system essential or for that matter a utility its a company offering a service which NO one has or needs to use. I repeat if you don't like it walk away as you can with most( water is one that should be scrapped but that's another story ) services not clear do you even have anything via virgin?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Since when is a TV delivery system essential or for that matter a utility its a company offering a service which NO one has or needs to use. I repeat if you don't like it walk away as you can with most( water is one that should be scrapped but that's another story ) services not clear do you even have anything via virgin?

If that TV delivery system also delivers broadband and telephony services that’s absolutely an essential service.

At the moment at my home address no, however I’ve managed my parents’ account for them for decades with virgin and predecessor operators.

Whether people can walk away - it’s equally debatable to be honest whether going from gigabit broadband to a shoddy copper connection if there’s no fibre constitutes an equivalent product - is absolutely, utterly, irrelevant.

Keep repeating yourself, keep being wrong. No skin off my nose.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

If that TV delivery system also delivers broadband and telephony services that’s absolutely an essential service.

At the moment at my home address no, however I’ve managed my parents’ account for them for decades with virgin and predecessor operators.

Whether people can walk away - it’s equally debatable to be honest whether going from gigabit broadband to a shoddy copper connection if there’s no fibre constitutes an equivalent product - is absolutely, utterly, irrelevant.

Keep repeating yourself, keep being wrong. No skin off my nose.

So they run a service that no one can match. Yet they are racing to the bottom

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

So they run a service that no one can match. Yet they are racing to the bottom

You can be both rubbish in some respects and an effective monopoly in some geographic areas. See water companies, train operators, half the energy companies who went bust.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

You can be both rubbish in some respects and an effective monopoly in some geographic areas. See water companies, train operators, half the energy companies who went bust.

Cheap energy companies going bust , surprise, surprise. Virgin are not a monopoly in any part of the country. They may or not offer the fastest service In an area, but that is not monopoly its a choice . Unlike water, trains you can get a bus use car etc . Having said that I have never used a train in my life , my choice , Not arguing about how good or bad they are, it's up to you if don't like it LEAVE .

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Cheap energy companies going bust , surprise, surprise. Virgin are not a monopoly in any part of the country. They may or not offer the fastest service In an area, but that is not monopoly its a choice . Unlike water, trains you can get a bus use car etc . Having said that I have never used a train in my life , my choice , Not arguing about how good or bad they are, it's up to you if don't like it LEAVE .

There’s a reason I used the term an effective monopoly rather than “a monopoly”. If you’d rather not have good services and prefer not to use trains that’s up to you.

Everyone else can want better standards and more effective regulators.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s a reason I used the term an effective monopoly rather than “a monopoly”. If you’d rather not have good services and prefer not to use trains that’s up to you.

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It's not even effective sorry stuck quote into your answer

[jfman]

I also used the qualification “in some geographic areas”. Address the points actually made or move on with your non-train using, happy with shitty water companies, etc life because capitalism innit?

You may think it’s perfectly acceptable for Virgin (or anyone else) to ride roughshod over consumer rights others do not - including Ofcom who have singled out Virgin in the past.

[Itshim]

1) water companies should have never been privatised 2) trains are a monopoly by area I choose not to use.note its a choice.3) Clearly virgin media is the 3rd choice . Ofcom a clear definition of handholding with regard to "customer can't think for their selfs " if you don't like it walk.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

1) water companies should have never been privatised 2) trains are a monopoly by area I choose not to use.note its a choice.3) Clearly virgin media is the 3rd choice . Ofcom a clear definition of handholding with regard to "customer can't think for their selfs " if you don't like it walk.

Not sure why you persist with your petty retorts/insults I don’t need my hand held. Stick to your limited understanding of markets and wider consumer interest. No skin off my nose as I said. I’m happy to rinse retentions and new customer offers at every opportunity.

Doesn’t mean everyone else should settle for naff customer service because “capitalism innit”.

Originally Posted by jfman

Not sure why you persist with your petty retorts/insults.

Or you, since you keep doing the same, and indeed "you started it".

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[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not sure why you persist with your petty retorts/insults I don’t need my hand held. Stick to your limited understanding of markets mean everyone else should settle for naff customer service because “capitalism innit”.

The trust and its businesses that l am a trustee of has been running since the late 1700,s for our family. Believe me, we understand markets. Clearly repeating, if you don't like it go elsewhere, is beyond your comprehension. As is the meaning of monopoly .

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The trust and its businesses that l am a trustee of has been running since the late 1700,s for our family. Believe me, we understand markets. Clearly repeating, if you don't like it go elsewhere, is beyond your comprehension. As is the meaning of monopoly .

So other people did stuff for 300 years and you are hanging around now?

I can’t help you if you won’t read or address what’s actually stated in my posts where at no point did I say Virgin (or anyone else) were an actual monopoly. However, as I’m sure you will know from hundreds of years of business running through your veins, you don’t need to be an actual monopoly to be regulated.

Thankfully, Ofcom and others don’t share your naive view of how the telecoms market should be regulated - investigating, issuing warnings and fines as appropriate throughout the industry despite “choice”.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...ling-contracts

https://advanced-television.com/2023...onsumer-group/

Although not specific to Virgin Media the vast majority of the people affected by the behaviour in the article below would have had “choice”. Yet Ofcom, rightly, intervenes in the consumer interest.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-failings.html