Coronavirus

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Oh, without a doubt, things are going in the right direction. The big question is at what point do we say 'that's enough, we're all good now'? 969 people died of COVID is July, is this acceptable but can we go further, get better here? Is 500 acceptable, 250 OK?

Those 969 deaths are 969 tragedies for the families involved. I would doubt that they would take much solace in the fact more people died of cancer

They are indeed tragedies, every one. But my point is, we do not take such extreme measures or any other cause of death, even though they may be more numerous.

We have learned to live with risk during the whole existence of mankind. Now this one virus has turned many of us into timid, fearful beings who want to isolate themselves against the world. We have to turn this around.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

There are some great boozers in Scunthorpe the trick is leaving alive

I was going to say, what about Wetherspoons? but then I read this.
https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/...olice-news-uk/

[Carth]

Wetherspoons

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They are indeed tragedies, every one. But my point is, we do not take such extreme measures or any other cause of death, even though they may be more numerous.

We have learned to live with risk during the whole existence of mankind. Now this one virus has turned many of us into timid, fearful beings who want to isolate themselves against the world. We have to turn this around.

Name one disease that’s as infectious as covid & that has a similar death rate as covid and is currently causing a pandemic ?

Comparing covid to other diseases is like comparing apples and oranges

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Name one disease that’s as infectious as covid & that has a similar death rate as covid and is currently causing a pandemic ?

Comparing covid to other diseases is like comparing apples and oranges

Stupidity?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Name one disease that’s as infectious as covid & that has a similar death rate as covid and is currently causing a pandemic ?

Comparing covid to other diseases is like comparing apples and oranges

Wokeism

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wokeism

Hello Billy ! Not visited any hospitals recently ?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hello Billy ! Not visited any hospitals recently ?

Goole on the 24th meet me there if you like

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Goole on the 24th meet me there if you like

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’ve not seen the data but I’d assume a similar reduction in transmissibility as for adults, which IIRC is around 60%. That’s a worthwhile benefit to the population at large, although the CMOs are stressing that it’s the benefit to the individual that’s key to the decision - which is why, if one is following the science and not a gibbering conspiracy nut, you can see the efficacy versus side-effects data support the single dose strategy.

I don't really understand how vaccination reduces transmission unless there's a time gap between encountering the virus in the throat and it taking sufficient hold to spew out with a cough, then killed by the antibodies before the victim knows it's happened.

Is that how the 60% reduction in transmission occurs?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't really understand how vaccination reduces transmission unless there's a time gap between encountering the virus in the throat and it taking sufficient hold to spew out with a cough, then killed by the antibodies before the victim knows it's happened.

Is that how the 60% reduction in transmission occurs?

You have to incubate the virus and give it space to infect your cells and multiply. Only once it has had time to do this will there be measurable quantities of viral particles in your body fluids that can then infect other people. As this coronavirus is novel to our species we have no latent immunity and the virus rapidly infects and becomes transmissible from an unvaccinated individual.

If you are vaccinated, while the virus is trying to take hold in your body your immune system is attacking it vigorously. Exactly how vigorous this fight-back is, determines whether or not you become infectious. Six out of ten vaccinated people (IIRC) will have a sufficiently robust immune response that the virus never gets a foothold and they therefore never become infectious. The other four will have an immune response but it is weaker; while the virus is under attack, for a while at least it is still able to multiply to the point where the host can pass it on. Those whose immune response is weakest will likely also display significant symptoms, in a few cases requiring hospital treatment and in the rarest cases still dying.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

You have to incubate the virus and give it space to infect your cells and multiply. Only once it has had time to do this will there be measurable quantities of viral particles in your body fluids that can then infect other people. As this coronavirus is novel to our species we have no latent immunity and the virus rapidly infects and becomes transmissible from an unvaccinated individual.

If you are vaccinated, while the virus is trying to take hold in your body your immune system is attacking it vigorously. Exactly how vigorous this fight-back is, determines whether or not you become infectious. Six out of ten vaccinated people (IIRC) will have a sufficiently robust immune response that the virus never gets a foothold and they therefore never become infectious. The other four will have an immune response but it is weaker; the while the virus is under attack, for a while at least it is still able to multiply to the point where the host can pass it on. Those whose immune response is weakest will likely also display significant symptoms, in a few cases requiring hospital treatment and in the rarest cases still dying.

Thanks. Usefully clear now.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I expect we will get more clarification in the next couple of days. I guess it will also depend on whether your good reason is one that is accepted it seems as though they are closely following the original roll out criteria.

Other half has blood cancer, her sister has a chronic lung condition and her parents are in their eighties, I stopped going in the house before the first lockdown, don't want to go back to sitting in the garden whilst she's in the conservatory

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Other half has blood cancer, her sister has a chronic lung condition and her parents are in their eighties, I stopped going in the house before the first lockdown, don't want to go back to sitting in the garden whilst she's in the conservatory

Would you be able to use the " Adult household contacts of immunosuppressed people" option that is part of stage 2 booster group? I think you should maybe have a word with their doctors once the full details have been sent down to ground level. <<hugs>>

I dip into the following site, it tends to have more information than the newspapers and doesn't use such headline grabbing tactics.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...-jab-campaign/

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Other half has blood cancer, her sister has a chronic lung condition and her parents are in their eighties, I stopped going in the house before the first lockdown, don't want to go back to sitting in the garden whilst she's in the conservatory

Originally Posted by joglynne

Would you be able to use the " Adult household contacts of immunosuppressed people" option that is part of stage 2 booster group? I think you should maybe have a word with their doctors once the full details have been sent down to ground level. <<hugs>>

I dip into the following site, it tends to have more information than the newspapers and doesn't use such headline grabbing tactics.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...-jab-campaign/

According to the Government PDF it's the priority groups for the boosters:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...-plan-2021.pdf

Offering booster doses to individuals who received vaccination in Phase 1 of the COVID-19 vaccination programme (priority groups 1-9).

Those are here from the initial phase of the vaccine https://www.gov.uk/government/public...riority-groups

So it should follow that if you got it early for the first shot, you'll be able to get the Booster at your group stage soon.