Coronavirus

Wearing a mask is a slight inconvenience, not a loss of freedom…

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's when their 'freedom' affects others. Not having a jab or wearing a mask in enclosed places makes you more likely to pass on this virus even if you have no symptoms.
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Granted, personal responsibility and giving a toss about anyone else is old fashioned these days.

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's much bigger than freedom of choice, it's about responsibility to others. Any potential impact goes beyond that for any individual.

Exactly this. Personal responsibility is "trumped" by self entitlement for some.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Exactly this. Personal responsibility is "trumped" by self entitlement for some.

Freedom to put other people at risk will naturally make others act in a risk averse manner. Given the economic importance of making people feel safe it’s folly on the part of some politicians to keep pushing the “freedom” rhetoric over minor inconveniences - like masks.

Of all the people I know working from home not a single one has plans to go back to an office even a majority of the time let alone all of the time. Given that’s 40% or so of the workforce “freedom” for others to act like fools has huge economic cost. Given the airborne nature of transmission it’s impossible for employers to make buildings Covid secure, they’re relying on the numbers coming down in society as a whole.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I get royally peeved at the term covidiot directed at people that have freedom of choice, still just about in this country.

lately in the press there have been a few families speaking of their fit and healthy loved ones wishing they had the vaccine as they as laid dying in their hospital bed. Hope it does not happen to you or anyone you care about ( I assume you have not been jabbed and consider yourself safe?? might be wrong though )

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-dies-of-covid

[jfman]

Pierre isn't the ardent anti-vaxxer that you think he is - he did say he'd vaccinate his kids for a holiday.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Pierre isn't the ardent anti-vaxxer that you think he is - he did say he'd vaccinate his kids for a holiday.

Wow and fu**k me wow. I never thought I’d search for a voice of reason and find it in JFman.

A post that championed freedom. Shouted down by the terrified masses. They’ve really done a number on you.

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's when their 'freedom' affects others. Not having a jab or wearing a mask in enclosed places makes you more likely to pass on this virus even if you have no symptoms.

Strange how thats never been a concern until 'Project Fear' got a grip of people who no longer seem able to think for themselves.

You do realise, I presume, that what you just said not only applies to ANY virus.
Its done so for as long as you have been alive, in fact, pretty much as long as life itself has existed.

Amazing how we have all survived

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

Strange how thats never been a concern until 'Project Fear' got a grip of people who no longer seem able to think for themselves.

You do realise, I presume, that what you just said not only applies to ANY virus.
Its done so for as long as you have been alive, in fact, pretty much as long as life itself has existed.

Amazing how we have all survived

130 000 in the UK haven't survived from Covid. Our worst loss of civilian life since WW2.

A mask, where appropriate, or a small jab doesn't seem an over the top response.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Strange how thats never been a concern until 'Project Fear' got a grip of people who no longer seem able to think for themselves.

You do realise, I presume, that what you just said not only applies to ANY virus.
Its done so for as long as you have been alive, in fact, pretty much as long as life itself has existed.

Amazing how we have all survived

I think the people more likely to not be thinking for themselves are the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers. Probably found all their information down a YouTube rabbit hole of misinformation funded by Russians, Iranians and venture capitalists making a fortune out of economic turmoil.

It’s ultimately in the interests of a lot of state and non-state actors (and some individuals) to drag this out for as long as they can. Politicising mask wearing and vaccinations are a good way to achieve that.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

*snip*
It’s ultimately in the interests of a lot of state and non-state actors (and some individuals) to drag this out for as long as they can. Politicising mask wearing and vaccinations are a good way to achieve that.

Is that just in the UK and Europe, or is the whole world in on the act?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

Is that just in the UK and Europe, or is the whole world in on the act?

The good thing about English language misinformation is it will permeate almost everywhere.

[1andrew1]

Lack of investment in NHS may be hindering recovery of cancer services from Covid

But an analysis by the Nuffield Trust, a London-based think-tank, found that countries such as Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark — similar to England in the burden of Covid cases — looked to have greater success in maintaining referral and treatment services during some high pressure periods of the pandemic.

The per capita sums the three EU countries devote to healthcare place them respectively fourth, fifth and ninth among OECD nations, compared with the UK’s 14th place. This raises questions over the extent to which patients are paying the price for years in which the NHS’s budget has failed to keep pace with demand.

Denmark, for example, has almost 40 CT scanners per million people, and Germany about 35, while the UK has fewer than 10.

https://www.ft.com/content/953d01bf-...4-cd9ddd740ad0

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lack of investment in NHS may be hindering recovery of cancer services from Covid

https://www.ft.com/content/953d01bf-...4-cd9ddd740ad0

The claws of privatisation will be out in no time. The bigger the backlog more money to be made. As I said earlier - there’s a lot of corporate interest in hindering our Covid response via misinformation.

[jonbxx]

Anti-vaccine (or pro-disease if you prefer) protestors are trying to storm the BBC today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...London-HQ.html

Small problem, the BBC moved out years ago. For people so keen on 'doing their research', maybe they should have done some research

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Anti-vaccine (or pro-disease if you prefer) protestors are trying to storm the BBC today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...London-HQ.html

Small problem, the BBC moved out years ago. For people so keen on 'doing their research', maybe they should have done some research

Absolute melts thought Television Centre is still the BBC’s HQ, despite the BBC making frequent and prominent use of the environs around Broadcasting House in Portland Place on its live and current affairs programming ever since they moved into the massive new extension there about 10 years ago.

Yep, some epic research done there.