Coronavirus

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EC is acting as in EU first which contrasts with your desire. Of course you are right, provided there is enough to go round.

I pay my taxes for the UK government to protect me, not France, etc. I expect the government to act accordingly including red-listing EU countries immediately.

If it's the expectation that the UK looks after its' own, then surely other countries or blocs of countries looking after their own is reasonable too?

The US has been doing this since day one of course with a ban on vaccine exports.

Originally Posted by Mick

Good advice.

For him.

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[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I am not taking part in any silences or clapping. I'm not patting this government on it's back particularly for the shabby way they are treating the nurses when if they had locked down at least a month earlier more lives might have been saved. Closing the borders was the FIRST thing they should have done.The only thing they got right was supporting finding a vaccine which was the very least thing they have done. The ONLY people who deserve any accolades are the key workers which is better dealt with by paying them a decent wage and hopefully a bonus.

I'm sure a handclap on the steps of number 10 more than makes up for their miserly pay award.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Carth

May I butt in with a couple of questions?

Has it yet been proven that the vaccine prevents you from catching Covid-19?

If it doesn't, can you catch it and spread it to others?

If you've had the first and second jab, then go out and mingle with people who have tested positive, would you still be 'told' by track & trace to isolate for a week?

It seems (to a fikko like me) that there are more grey areas than a library (remember those? ) full of pensioners

Very good questions and it seems that the simple answer is we don't know for sure if any vaccine will stop infections and stop you spreading the bug. What we do know is that the vaccination makes the likelihood of you getting really sick and even dying much less. If everyone gets vaccinated, COVID at worst becomes the sniffles.

Here's a really good article on this here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

The best way to answer your questions is to do a challenge test where some hardy souls/heroes/people desperate for cash/complete mugs get deliberately infected with SARS-COV2. A trial is about to be started here in the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...oval-in-the-uk

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The best way to answer your questions is to do a challenge test where some hardy souls/heroes/people desperate for cash/complete mugs get deliberately infected with SARS-COV2. A trial is about to be started here in the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...oval-in-the-uk

That looks like the basis of a great reality TV series!

With ITV missing out on Love Island this year due to the pandemic, this would seem like an ideal prime time schedule-filler for them.

[Carth]

Celebrity Covid, finally we get a reality TV program worth watching

Heck, I may even be inclined to join the public telephone vote as to which one gets the placebo

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Very good questions and it seems that the simple answer is we don't know for sure if any vaccine will stop infections and stop you spreading the bug. What we do know is that the vaccination makes the likelihood of you getting really sick and even dying much less. If everyone gets vaccinated, COVID at worst becomes the sniffles.

Here's a really good article on this here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

The best way to answer your questions is to do a challenge test where some hardy souls/heroes/people desperate for cash/complete mugs get deliberately infected with SARS-COV2. A trial is about to be started here in the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...oval-in-the-uk

Is there any vaccine in existance that actually stops anyone being infected? Surely all a vaccine does is prepare the immune system to recognise and fight an infection quicker than the immune system starting from scratch.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Is there any vaccine in existance that actually stops anyone being infected? Surely all a vaccine does is prepare the immune system to recognise and fight an infection quicker than the immune system starting from scratch.

Not really, no as whatever infectious agent has to be in you for your immune system to act on it so you are to some extent 'infected'. A race is then on between the infectious agent multiplying and the immune system stamping it down.

Vaccines vary a lot in how much they stimulate the immune system. It does depend on how 'foreign' the disease is. A 'good' disease is one that can escape the immune system by either disguising the parts which the immune system recognises - see HIV or changing rapidly - see influenza.

You can help a bit by adding other agents which also stimulate the immune system. These are called adjuvants. When you hear about aluminium in vaccines, that is aluminium hydroxide powder which makes your immune system go crazy. It can also help by administering the vaccine through the same route as the disease (see Flumist flu vaccine and Polio vaccines) but that is really hard to do so they mostly get injected.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Very good questions and it seems that the simple answer is we don't know for sure if any vaccine will stop infections and stop you spreading the bug. What we do know is that the vaccination makes the likelihood of you getting really sick and even dying much less. If everyone gets vaccinated, COVID at worst becomes the sniffles.

Here's a really good article on this here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

The best way to answer your questions is to do a challenge test where some hardy souls/heroes/people desperate for cash/complete mugs get deliberately infected with SARS-COV2. A trial is about to be started here in the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...oval-in-the-uk

Is the Pfizer data from Israel not supporting that it reduces transmission?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9ac_story.html

AstraZeneca used ‘outdated and potentially misleading data’ that overstated the effectiveness of its vaccine, independent panel says

AstraZeneca said it would “immediately engage” with an independent data and safety monitoring board to discuss the most up-to-date efficacy data on its coronavirus vaccine.

In an extraordinary turn of events, an independent panel that safeguards the integrity of clinical trials wrote to AstraZeneca and U.S. government officials late Monday expressing concern and disappointment that the drugmaker presented “outdated and potentially misleading” data on its coronavirus vaccine making the shots appear more effective than shown by fuller data.

The letter, from 11 leading statisticians, infectious-disease physicians and ethics experts appointed by the National Institutes of Health to review the trial data for all the major coronavirus vaccines supported by the federal government, says the company’s decision puts the vaccine in the most favorable light — a grave scientific misstep that could erode trust in the vaccine...

...“The DSMB is concerned that AstraZeneca chose to use data that was already outdated and potentially misleading in their press release,” the letter states. “The point that is clear to the board is that the [vaccine efficacy number] . . . they chose to release was the most favorable for the study as opposed to the most recent and most complete. Decisions like this are what erode public trust in the scientific process.”

The letter goes on to explain that while the company announced its vaccine was 79 percent effective on Monday, the panel had been meeting with the company through February and March and had seen data showing the vaccine may be 69 to 74 percent effective, and had “strongly recommended” that information should be included in the news release.

Federal officials were taken aback by the letter from the board. One said the AstraZeneca results were the equivalent of “telling your mother you got an A in a course, when you got an A in the first quiz but a C in the overall course.” Another said the disclosure by the board would inevitably hurt the company’s credibility with U.S. regulators.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If it's the expectation that the UK looks after its' own, then surely other countries or blocs of countries looking after their own is reasonable too?

The US has been doing this since day one of course with a ban on vaccine exports.

Indeed. But the EU's approach to this opportunity has been entirely belligerent and hostile. And in public at that. That kind of behaviour needs to be rebuffed, imo.

Had the EU come to the UK and quietly asked if we could help them out, then I would have expected a an accommodation with 'our European friends".

However, Macron and Merkel publicly trashed AZ vaccine to the extent that there is major public resistance to that vaccine.

The above said, I'm sure that the UK government will offer something to the EU, which they don't deserve.

[Carth]

I've got a snooker cue, some golf clubs, and an unused season ticket they can have, no use to me

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

I've got a snooker cue, some golf clubs, and an unused season ticket they can have, no use to me

You're too kind, I'm sure.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/stanley-j...UWUTQSLSisQpL5

The new regulations for the coming months, covering the Prime Minister’s “road map” out of lockdown for England, include a ban on leaving the country without a valid reason.

One of the exemptions allows travel to visit properties, estate agents, sales offices or show homes overseas if a person is seeking to buy or sell a foreign home.

The legislation also gives an exemption for “preparing a residential property to move in” or “to visit a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property”.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/stanley-j...UWUTQSLSisQpL5

"Nice one, son."
S.J., Winsford, Somerset