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nomadking · 17-02-2021, 02:37

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Correction: As per BBC 10pm news "Told to shield".

From your link

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Government guidelines strongly advise clinically extremely vulnerable people to stay at home at all times, apart from going out to exercise or to attend a medical appointment.

Men are twice as likely as women to die, so should that be factored in?
How much of the supposed increased risk comes from the behaviour of people in those groups. Not socially distancing, not using hand sanitiser, gathering in large groups etc.

**Paul** · 17-02-2021, 03:09

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

More people to be advised to shield:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

Why are they advising more people to shield now - its a bit late in the day surely ?

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ

Got my jab next week, surprised it's so quick considering I'm healthy and not too old at 52.

Given I'm 58, and technically on the "with underlying medical conditions" list, I'd say its very surprising, esp to me ......

RichardCoulter · 17-02-2021, 04:42

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Originally Posted by nomadking

From your link
Men are twice as likely as women to die, so should that be factored in?
How much of the supposed increased risk comes from the behaviour of people in those groups. Not socially distancing, not using hand sanitiser, gathering in large groups etc.

It is, along with ethnicity, postcode, weight etc.

nomadking · 17-02-2021, 05:11

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It is, along with ethnicity, postcode, weight etc.

It's not mentioned in the article, although it is mentioned in the "new model" link in the article. People now have their own QCovid® Score.

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We have used QCovid® to develop the COVID-19 Population Risk Assessment. This combines a number of factors such as age, sex registered at birth, ethnicity, body mass index (BMI) and specific health conditions and treatments to estimate the risk of a person catching coronavirus and becoming seriously unwell.

Having suffered a double pulmonary embolism and heart failure a few years back, looks like I should be getting a letter.

denphone · 17-02-2021, 06:06

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Originally Posted by Paul

Given I'm 58, and technically on the "with underlying medical conditions" list, I'd say its very surprising, esp to me ......

Same here as well as l have had heart failure for a good while now plus several other underlying long term medical conditions.

jonbxx · 17-02-2021, 10:08

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

More people to be advised to shield:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

Lest we forget, these, along with the people being vaccinated now, were the people fans of the Great Barrington Declaration wanted to lock up
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This made me laugh though;

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@LiamThorpECHO
So I’m not getting a vaccine next week - was feeling weird about why I’d been selected ahead of others so rang GP to check. Turns out they had my height as 6.2cm rather than 6 ft 2, giving me a BMI of 28,000

**Damien** · 17-02-2021, 10:56

The new list of people being advised to shield is pretty interesting I think and possibly exciting.

They're talking about a new algorithm coming up with this list which suggests they've plugged in data about mortality, compared against their existing list of patients and come up with a much more tailored risk assessment than the broad category of groups we've used so far.

Politicians have talked about using big data, cloud and algorithms for years but it's usually just buzz words but this would be a very good example of what can be done with it and the NHS is in a unique position to take full advantage given its relative monolithic structure compared to other healthcare systems.

A constant real time dataset advising whose at risk for certain illnesses and which treatments might be most effective for someone based on much more precise details about any given person. Cancer screening brought forward not based simply on age, gender or race but multiple factors that suggest YOU might benefit from moving it a bit earlier.

All of this already exists of course but the speed at which it can now happen the degree of precision they could get into makes it very exciting.

tweetiepooh · 17-02-2021, 11:08

My wife had text to get her jab last week, I got call from GP for mine yesterday. We are mid fifties but possible underlying conditions. A lot seems to be about demographics in the area. Some areas could possibly get through the lists quicker.

What is concerning is the lower take up in some groups, some of which have a higher mortality (or appear to).

pip08456 · 17-02-2021, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Damien

The new list of people being advised to shield is pretty interesting I think and possibly exciting.

They're talking about a new algorithm coming up with this list which suggests they've plugged in data about mortality, compared against their existing list of patients and come up with a much more tailored risk assessment than the broad category of groups we've used so far.

Politicians have talked about using big data, cloud and algorithms for years but it's usually just buzz words but this would be a very good example of what can be done with it and the NHS is in a unique position to take full advantage given its relative monolithic structure compared to other healthcare systems.

A constant real time dataset advising whose at risk for certain illnesses and which treatments might be most effective for someone based on much more precise details about any given person. Cancer screening brought forward not based simply on age, gender or race but multiple factors that suggest YOU might benefit from moving it a bit earlier.

All of this already exists of course but the speed at which it can now happen the degree of precision they could get into makes it very exciting.

I don't find it exciting at all. If they have been found to be more at risk why send a letter advising them to shield rather than an appointment to get vaccinated? Surely if they are at higher risk they should be moved to the higher risk group for vaccination.

I'm in group 6 and recieved my jab last Monday, I would gladly have given way to someone at more risk.

spiderplant · 17-02-2021, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Paul

Given I'm 58, and technically on the "with underlying medical conditions" list, I'd say its very surprising, esp to me ......

Last week one of the papers reported that some regions were so far ahead that they were inviting over 50s.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I don't find it exciting at all. If they have been found to be more at risk why send a letter advising them to shield rather than an appointment to get vaccinated? Surely if they are at higher risk they should be moved to the higher risk group for vaccination..

AIUI about half of them will be prioritised for vaccination, but some won't be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons. Meanwhile telling them to shield is a quick win.

**Damien** · 17-02-2021, 12:17

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I don't find it exciting at all. If they have been found to be more at risk why send a letter advising them to shield rather than an appointment to get vaccinated? Surely if they are at higher risk they should be moved to the higher risk group for vaccination.

I'm in group 6 and recieved my jab last Monday, I would gladly have given way to someone at more risk.

They are being moved up the list aren't they?

**Paul** · 17-02-2021, 16:14

Human Covid Trials to start ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56097088

1andrew1 · 17-02-2021, 23:44

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The Swedish government on Wednesday presented a draft legislation that would enable new measures to combat a new wave of the spread of COVID-19, including a partial lockdown.

The spread of the virus has started to accelerate in six of Sweden's counties, according to the latest statistics. There are also indications that the more contagious mutation first discovered in Britain is becoming increasingly prevalent in Sweden.

"The declining trend in the spread of infection has stopped. It is worrying and there is a significant risk of a third wave," Swedish Minister for Health and Social Affairs Lena Hallengren said when presenting the proposed amendment at a press conference.

"A partial shutdown of Swedish society may be necessary," she said.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/eur..._139748265.htm
Similar article also at https://www.ft.com/content/ccb52f41-...d-f59745e25e7d

Pierre · 18-02-2021, 10:51

After full on campaign by Germany and most of Europe to discredit the efficacy of the AZ vaccine. German Health ministers are baffled that people don't want it.

You reap what you sow.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...fects-12221175

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https://news.sky.com/story/lockdown-...study-12221339

Yes........ but we have been in "Lockdown" pretty much since November, bar a couple of weeks before Christmas and infections went through the roof. So I keep my powder dry before I jump on the lockdown bandwagon.

Also I was just pondering the other day, that there doesn't seem to be any problems in naming the new variants as the "British Variant", South African Variant, Brazilian Variant".

Yet when Trump called Covid the "Chinese Virus" he got lambasted for it.

jfman · 18-02-2021, 10:54

Well the problem isn't really the campaign it's giving people a choice for free.

If you gave me the choice I'd do exactly the same thing. You can't blame Germans for being stereotypically rational.