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**Hugh** · 22-12-2020, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Carth

Just to set the mood . . I wonder if the figure quoted is obtained in a similar fashion to the 'died within 28 days of a positive test' that we keep seeing?

for example, a chap in hospital with gallstones, that has tested positive yet is asymptomatic, could very easily be classed as a hospital patient 'with Covid'

not that I'm at all suggesting 'data' is being used in such a way to support the ongoing frenzy

As I answered the same question 12 days ago in this thread...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...h#post36061681

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Originally Posted by Carth View Post
I'll agree with that, however deaths for any reason 28 days after a positive test seems a fudge of Covid statistics to me.

This may provide some clarity.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...eaths-covid-19

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Validity of cause of death: the GOV.UK data measures deaths following a positive test for Covid-19, but some of these deaths could be due to a different cause, whatever the interval from testing to death used for measuring them. The ONS data is derived from death certificates, and includes only deaths where the doctor believed Covid-19 caused or contributed to the death, making cause of death as involving Covid-19 more reliable.

If the patient has COVID but is asymptomatic, they are still a COVID patient...

jfman · 22-12-2020, 18:55

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Originally Posted by Chris

Bolleaux.

They’re not using them because the regular hospitals haven’t exceeded capacity. The Nightingales are for emergency use if covid cases start overwhelming regular ICU provision. Nobody wants to start lining patients up in a conference centre unless they have to.

Not convinced I want to see den’s theory tested.

joglynne · 22-12-2020, 19:27

An article published to-day about the current status of our Nightingale Hospitals.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-standby.html

The Manchester Nightingale has 750 beds, but unlike the first Nightingale hospital, which opened in London, it was never designed to take patients with covid-19 requiring critical care and was always earmarked to deal with non-covid related patients, mainly those who were in the process of being discharged and needing services such as therapy and social care assessments.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj....e%20covid%2D19.

Carth · 22-12-2020, 19:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh

If the patient has COVID but is asymptomatic, they are still a COVID patient...

Yep, fudged figures as a scare tactic then

Mr K · 22-12-2020, 19:35

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Originally Posted by jfman

Not convinced I want to see den’s theory tested.

The only way they can staff them is to take staff from Hospitals, which leads to other services stopping. Thats if they can get volunteers to work in a Covid hospital.

I'm sure the Govt. has worked all this out and have a masterplan. Maybe its by allowing thousands of nursing vacancies over the past few year or Prattcocks recent announcement to delay any pay rise for NHS staff. Its a cunning plan....

**Hugh** · 22-12-2020, 19:46

BBC’s Katya Adler has just reported this

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From tomorrow morning, planes, boats and the Eurostar between EU and U.K. will be up and running again. Those with a “legitimate reason” to return to France from U.K. need to present evidence of having taken a #Covid test (and testing negative!)

Mad Max · 22-12-2020, 19:58

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Originally Posted by denphone

Actually some local Kent Sikhs and the Kent Police are about to deliver them some cooked hot meals and drinks.

nomadking · 22-12-2020, 19:59

The reason the UK seems to have more cases of this newer variant, is simply because we're the ones looking for newer variants in the first place.
Other countries have this variant, and possibly had it before the UK, as they weren't looking for new variants.
The surges in countries such as Germany and France, might possibly be due to this variant.

Sephiroth · 22-12-2020, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The only way they can staff them is to take staff from Hospitals, which leads to other services stopping. Thats if they can get volunteers to work in a Covid hospital.

I'm sure the Govt. has worked all this out and have a masterplan. Maybe its by allowing thousands of nursing vacancies over the past few year or Prattcocks recent announcement to delay any pay rise for NHS staff. Its a cunning plan....

Military medical staff?

Mad Max · 22-12-2020, 20:00

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The reason the UK seems to have more cases of this newer variant, is simply because we're the ones looking for newer variants in the first place.
Other countries have this variant, and possibly had it before the UK, as they weren't looking for new variants.
The surges in countries such as Germany and France, might possibly be due to this variant.

I think you may be correct there.

jfman · 22-12-2020, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

I think you may be correct there.

In Scotland apparently 15% is the new variant so it sounds like the old one is capable of surging all by itself.

**Hugh** · 22-12-2020, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Military medical staff?

When you asked this question last month, I replied

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...y#post36060237

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
Doesn't the military have the required trained resources? Or at least a reasonable number?

This is a couple of years old, but problems roughly the same numbers

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0077.html

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Defence Nursing Staff

On operations, nursing staff and medical officers from all three services deliver primary and emergency care at the front line and secondary and critical care in field hospitals. Aeromed evacuation of casualties is supported by defence nurses who deliver intensive care nursing during patient transfers both in theatre and on return to the UK working within the Critical Care Air Support Teams.

When not deployed on operations, defence nurses work within Ministry of Defence Hospital Units within NHS Trusts across the UK to maintain their clinical skills and care for the general public. In particular, Defence Nurses working at the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine in Birmingham and at the Defence Medical Rehabilitation Centre at Headley Court contribute directly to the health care provision of military personnel.

Nursing staff for the three services (with approximate personnel figures) are found from the following organisations:

Queen Alexandra's Royal Naval Nursing Service (QARNNS) - 300
Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps (QARANC) - 800
Princess Mary's Royal Air Force Nursing Service (PMRAFNS) - 430

Around 1,500 nurses, most of whom are already doing other stuff...

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Originally Posted by Carth

Yep, fudged figures as a scare tactic then

Not really - patients can be classified with multiple medical classifications at the same time; they don’t double count the different classifications for each patient.

If you have COVID, you’re a COVID patient,

downquark1 · 22-12-2020, 21:10

Out of interest. Who is taking vitamin D?

1andrew1 · 22-12-2020, 21:20

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Out of interest. Who is taking vitamin D?

Is this a cracker joke?

Pierre · 22-12-2020, 21:30

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Out of interest. Who is taking vitamin D?

I am, and have been for some time, shortly after the pandemic hit the U.K.

I watched a video in which a doctor explained ( layman paraphrasing) that vitD strengthens the cell walls/ defences preventing the virus from penetrating the cell.