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mrmistoffelees · 31-07-2020, 11:39

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a bit confusing as Matt Hancock's tweet said "The spread is largely due to households meeting and not abiding to social distancing. So from midnight tonight, people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas." So, no reference to gardens there.

The Government promised a press conference for any big announcement but it seems to believe this is not such an announcement.

I would have thought good practice would be to either let everyone know as soon as possible as they did then follow up with a press conference the next day or just announce it at the press conference so the message is as clear as possible. (Clarity v speed of messaging debate)

What are you not allowed to do under the new rules if you live in one of the affected areas?

Meet people you do not live with inside a home or garden, except where you have formed a support bubble. (A support bubble can be formed by an adult who lives by themselves, or is a single parent with dependent children, with one other household of any size to form a close support network - allowing close contact with them as you could if they were members of your own household)
Visit someone else's home or garden, even if they live outside the affected areas

source https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gland-12039610

Also here

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...kdown-22445526

nomadking · 31-07-2020, 11:40

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The new lockdown rules, which came into force at midnight, mean people from different households will not be allowed to meet in homes or private gardens.
They also ban members of two different households from mixing in pubs and restaurants, although individual households will still be able to visit such hospitality venues.

Basically keep yourselves to yourselves.

So no large gatherings, especially religious ones and funerals.

mrmistoffelees · 31-07-2020, 11:42

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Originally Posted by nomadking

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Basically keep yourselves to yourselves.

So no large gatherings, especially religious ones and funerals.

Yet you can still meet in a park or in other outdoor spaces (just not gardens)

Russ · 31-07-2020, 11:42

Gyms are back open in Wales from 10th August

1andrew1 · 31-07-2020, 11:42

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What are you not allowed to do under the new rules if you live in one of the affected areas?

Meet people you do not live with inside a home or garden, except where you have formed a support bubble. (A support bubble can be formed by an adult who lives by themselves, or is a single parent with dependent children, with one other household of any size to form a close support network - allowing close contact with them as you could if they were members of your own household)
Visit someone else's home or garden, even if they live outside the affected areas

source https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gland-12039610

Also here

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...kdown-22445526

Yes, I agree with you, but I'm saying his tweet is confusing as it says "...people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas"

Holding a press conference would have enabled such matters to be clarified.

Russ · 31-07-2020, 11:43

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Yet you can still meet in a park or in other outdoor spaces (just not gardens)

Basically you can't meet other people unless there's a card reader present.

mrmistoffelees · 31-07-2020, 11:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, I agree with you, but I'm saying his tweet is confusing as it says ", people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas"

Oh i see, apologies.

Personally i believe that the health secretary has been confusing since this all started.

If it were up to me I'd have Rishi as PM,Chancellor & any other important ministerial roll.

He's outperformed (considerably) all others in the current climate.

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Basically you can't meet other people unless there's a card reader present.

Indeed it would appear the risks from the virus are considerably lower when an economic benefit is available.

nomadking · 31-07-2020, 11:58

Basically people from different households shouldn't be in close proximity to one another, in whatever type of location.

denphone · 31-07-2020, 12:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, I agree with you, but I'm saying his tweet is confusing as it says "...people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas"

Holding a press conference would have enabled such matters to be clarified.

It would have been pretty simple to have held a press conference at 5 or 6 pm yesterday.

mrmistoffelees · 31-07-2020, 12:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Basically people from different households shouldn't be in close proximity to one another, in whatever type of location.

Unenforceable, pub/restaurant will not be able to tell (and more than likely probably won't care) People can an be trusted to meet in a park or other outside space and maintain safe distancing but not in a private garden.

It's an utterly shambolic situation

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Boris to give briefing at 12pm according to the beeb

nomadking · 31-07-2020, 12:22

Impossible to come up with every single ridiculous scenario. Eg I don't have what could be described as a back garden, more of a back yard. It isn't mysteriously excluded from the rules, because only gardens are mentioned.

People know full well what the underlying principles are, despite the media continually deliberately trying to muddy the waters.

mrmistoffelees · 31-07-2020, 12:24

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Impossible to come up with every single ridiculous scenario. Eg I don't have what could be described as a back garden, more of a back yard. It isn't mysteriously excluded from the rules, because only gardens are mentioned.

People know full well what the underlying principles are, despite the media continually deliberately trying to muddy the waters.

Ah yes, the medias fault, of course.

denphone · 31-07-2020, 12:34

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Ah yes, the medias fault, of course.

Which the government conveniently use a lot for their own political ends...

1andrew1 · 31-07-2020, 12:45

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah yes, the medias fault, of course.

Yes, that old chestnut. Good to see Boris stepping up to do a press conference though.

nomadking · 31-07-2020, 12:47

So when have the media ever set out the underlying principles, so that people can understand them?

They are CONSTANTLY causing confusion, merely by using the word "confusion", and CONSTANTLY handing out convenient excuses for people to use, that they can then use to not obey the simple rules. Eg "Oh I can't wear a mask because of X, Y, Z", when the X, Y, and Z have come from the media. "I don't have to socially distance because of X, Y, Z", when again those non-existent excuses have come direct from the media. They just repeat them parrot-fashion. Just watch the news and see the excuses people come up with, and then say that the excuse has just been repeating something in the media. It goes on CONSTANTLY on all sorts of issues, long before now.