Coronavirus

[heero_yuy]

The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for widespread use.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

I want to see plenty of people in the public eye, especially all MP's and their families, plus a few million others having the jab before I will even consider it.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This is the Government list of vaccines that have caused some people to become severaly disabled. I've never been on an antivax site:

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/eligibility

Maybe some of these are fine with some people, but not with others??

The covid vaccine might be the same, nobody know one way or the other yet. This is one of the problems with my strategy of waiting until others, who are prepared to have it first, have had it and waiting to see what happens before I make a decision as to whether to have it or not. It could take some time for any negative effects to show themselves, but how long do I remain shielding to see what happens, 6 months, years?? Is it better to take the risk and at least have the chance of having a more normal life for the remaing time that I have left? I really don't know.

I understand your concerns, but since 1978 (to 2017) there have been 936 successful claims, or roughly 23 per year.

To put that into perspective, more people drown in a bathtub each year (29), and over six times as many cyclists are killed in traffic accidents each year.

https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

I want to see plenty of people in the public eye, especially all MP's and their families, plus a few million others having the jab before I will even consider it.

The MHRA would not approve it they did not think it was very safe and effective.

They are one of the top Regulatory Agencys in the world and have very strict protocols before approving anything.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

I want to see plenty of people in the public eye, especially all MP's and their families, plus a few million others having the jab before I will even consider it.

And if all the MPs and their families got the vaccine first, there would be an outcry over their queue jumping.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This is the Government list of vaccines that have caused some people to become severaly disabled. I've never been on an antivax site:

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/eligibility

Maybe some of these are fine with some people, but not with others??

The covid vaccine might be the same, nobody know one way or the other yet. This is one of the problems with my strategy of waiting until others, who are prepared to have it first, have had it and waiting to see what happens before I make a decision as to whether to have it or not. It could take some time for any negative effects to show themselves, but how long do I remain shielding to see what happens, 6 months, years?? Is it better to take the risk and at least have the chance of having a more normal life for the remaing time that I have left? I really don't know.

I don't know the nature of your disabilities, however if you have any reduced organ function at all, especially cardiovascular or respiratory, then based on the evidence so far you are vastly more likely to get seriously ill (or killed) by coronavirus than by any vaccine. You can't shield forever; sooner or later you're going to come into contact with someone who has been infected, and possibly someone who is still infectious.

I can appreciate how the way your life has turned out has made you risk averse here, and this is a decision you have to take seriously, however what it all comes down to is comparing likelihood of certain events occurring. You should discuss this with your GP and whoever takes the lead in providing care for you, however I'll be very surprised if their advice is any different.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Chris

And if all the MPs and their families got the vaccine first, there would be an outcry over their queue jumping.

TBQH It's a queue I'm quite happy to see them jump.

[jonbxx]

Plus, can we just say yay to science!!

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by denphone

The MHRA would not approve it they did not think it was very safe and effective.

They are one of the top Regulatory Agencys in the world and have very strict protocols before approving anything.

They are also no doubt under extreme political pressure to approve it.

[tweetiepooh]

There is still a question on if vaccinated people are still infective even if they themselves are protected. It's likely to be a fair while until things return to "normal" with regard to movement and such. Can you still "catch" Covid, spread it around before your enhanced immune system kills it off?

Hopefully once the more vulnerable are vaccinated things can get going again with less chance of a spike in hospital cases. Lots of people wanting hugs, my mum included.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

They are also no doubt under extreme political pressure to approve it.

That is your opinion heero but the huge consequences of approving a vaccine which would then go on to have significant side effects on the general public means they do not take these decisions lightly in the first place.

[mrmistoffelees]

Woke up to an email this morning cancelling our booking at the Cleveland Tontine for our annual Christmas afternoon tea. (They're in tier 2, we're in tier 3) Whilst not entirely unexpected, It's a disappointment for us, and more income lost to the hospitality sector.

Hopefully we'll be moved down to tier 2 in 14 days time and we may be able to rebook.

[papa smurf]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock vows to get Covid vaccine live on TV with Piers Morgan

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...-vows-23101825

Piers told Mr Hancock he was keen to get the vaccine administered live on air on the show, as a way to convince those concerned about its safety.

Mr Hancock replied that he would happily sit down next to Piers and get the vaccine at the same time.


Mr Hancock replied: "I'll take it with you Piers, you have to take leadership in these these times.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Health Secretary Matt Hancock vows to get Covid vaccine live on TV with Piers Morgan

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...-vows-23101825

Piers told Mr Hancock he was keen to get the vaccine administered live on air on the show, as a way to convince those concerned about its safety.

Mr Hancock replied that he would happily sit down next to Piers and get the vaccine at the same time.


Mr Hancock replied: "I'll take it with you Piers, you have to take leadership in these these times.

Bring on the tin foil hat brigade 'How do we know it was the vaccine? It was more than likely a vitamin shot!'

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Bring on the tin foil hat brigade 'How do we know it was the vaccine? It was more than likely a vitamin shot!'

It hasn't happened yet.

But i see where you're coming from.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Bring on the tin foil hat brigade 'How do we know it was the vaccine? It was more than likely a vitamin shot!'

I had no doubt ls about the vaccines until Prattcock opened his mouth. He has this effect on people. Some of us are still waiting for our promised flu jab...

Her Majesty and Prince Philly should get it first and we can await results. Will it drive them bonkers? Will we notice ?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I had no doubt ls about the vaccines until Prattcock opened his mouth. He has this effect on people. Some of us are still waiting for our promised flu jab...

Her Majesty and Prince Philly should get it first and we can await results. Will it drive them bonkers? Will we notice ?

Talk on sky news this morning was the oldies will have to wait until the NHS staff have been vaccinated first.