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1andrew1 · 19-11-2021, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

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Such comments (and others about the "Reich") are ridiculous. Mengele experimented with innocent people, nothing to do with protecting them.

Pierre · 19-11-2021, 17:42

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Mengele experimented with innocent people, nothing to do with protecting them.

Are Austrians guilty of something?

Sephiroth · 19-11-2021, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Are Austrians guilty of something?

Not sure what you mean. What are today's Austrians guilty of?
And Mengele was German.

Mad Max · 19-11-2021, 18:20

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Are Austrians guilty of something?

Stupidity maybe?

Carth · 19-11-2021, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Stupidity maybe?

I think it's a general EU thing

heero_yuy · 19-11-2021, 19:12

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Quote from The Sun:

Angela Merkel has banned unvaccinated Germans from shops and restaurants in draconian Covid restrictions as leaders warn of a "bleak" Christmas ahead.

Germany has agreed to a string of tougher measures for unjabbed citizens - as well as a tiered restrictions system in a bid to tackle the virus.

German cases are spiralling in what Chancellor Angela Merkel called a "dramatic" fourth wave as the country recorded over 65,000 cases in a day.

She announced measures stopping the unvaccinated from visiting bars, restaurants and theatres if hospitalisation rates became too high.

Mrs Merkel said: "It is absolutely time to act."

"You vil show us your papers"

Pierre · 19-11-2021, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not sure what you mean. What are today's Austrians guilty of?
And Mengele was German.

In your post you said the current actions of the Austrian govt could not be compared to Mengele as he only experimented on “innocent people”.

So if that is the only differentiater between Mengele and the current Austrian government actions that would imply they were guilty of something.

Just trying make sense of your post.

Sephiroth · 19-11-2021, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Pierre

In your post you said the current actions of the Austrian govt could not be compared to Mengele as he only experimented on “innocent people”.

So if that is the only differentiater between Mengele and the current Austrian government actions that would imply they were guilty of something.

Just trying make sense of your post.

You may be overthinking this. As you know, Mengele was a German Nazi murderer. The Austrian government is trying to protect its people. It's your remark that made no sense, I'm sorry to say.

Pierre · 19-11-2021, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You may be overthinking this. As you know, Mengele was a German Nazi murderer. The Austrian government is trying to protect its people. It's your remark that made no sense, I'm sorry to say.

Whatever, explained it, you can’t see it, we’ll leave it. The original point stands. State mandated vaccination, especially for a virus as non-lethal as this one is ridiculous and a overreach of state powers by any standard.

**Paul** · 20-11-2021, 01:20

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Originally Posted by nffc

If people haven't seen the sense in doing it by now and people are still dying of covid what choice do they have? The only other one is letting them die.

Being vaccinated doesnt mean you wont die, nor does it mean you cannot catch it, and not being vaccinated doesnt mean you will catch it, or that you'll die if you do.

Vaccination triggers your immune system, which means you have a better chance of not catching it, and if you do, it will probably be less serious than otherwise. Its not magic, but it does have potential serious side effects, even if rare.

There is a vast difference between volunteering to take something, and being forced to take it, a very slippery slope to go down. Civil wars have been triggered by less.

Blackshep · 20-11-2021, 01:42

The mortality rate of covid absolutely does not justify vaccination mandates or passports and the justification it gets from some people worries me how far is too far to satisfy your fear?. When we first went into lockdown pretty much everyone followed it, when masks were expected the public agreed the problem is we all went along because we were told it was short term. The great thing about covid for some is that it will never end at this point it can be spun up over and over again and even the vaccine isn't the answer as you can still get covid, can still die from it and you can still infect others and when a new variant comes along it's useless.

People are constantly told to follow the science even though the consensus on covid is far from unanimous or even agreed and the science has changed so it's no wonder an increasing number of people are refusing to participate. It's personal choice if you want the vaccine and the boosters it's a personal choice same as if you decide you've had enough of it all and don't want anymore.

**Maggy** · 20-11-2021, 10:04

Vaccination mandates? Only where the vulnerable are the ones at risk.If you want to work in a care home it just seems a sensible step that you must be vaccinated.
But then I've been living with vaccinations all my life having been born in Nigeria where my father as a Medic in the Colonial Service had to vaccinate patients at the bush surgeries he was required to hold.No one said no back in the 50s to vaccinations. I remember the smallpox scare when I was 6 or so in London.No one said no then.Just yes please.

Anyway haven't we been accepting for years that if you travelled abroad to countries that insisted visitors be vaccinated you got vaccinated?

joglynne · 20-11-2021, 11:07

Quite agree with you Maggy.

People who are happy to smoke, drink alcohol or eat processed foods should realise that refusing a vaccination which could save lives is really a tad inconsistent.

My contribution for to-day is a link to a ZOE press release entitled Don't cancel Christmas yet which has some up-to-date information using figures their study has collected.

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/dont-...-christmas-yet

Sephiroth · 20-11-2021, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Paul

Being vaccinated doesnt mean you wont die, nor does it mean you cannot catch it, and not being vaccinated doesnt mean you will catch it, or that you'll die if you do.

Vaccination triggers your immune system, which means you have a better chance of not catching it, and if you do, it will probably be less serious than otherwise. Its not magic, but it does have potential serious side effects, even if rare.

There is a vast difference between volunteering to take something, and being forced to take it, a very slippery slope to go down. Civil wars have been triggered by less.

I think we are all agreed that and a mandaTory vaccination in the UK would not be tolerated by the public and would not be promulgated by the Guvmin.

Austria, which sparked this branch of the conversation, has public acceptance of mandatory vaccination as in the cases of polio and smallpox.

papa smurf · 20-11-2021, 11:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think we are all agreed that and a mandaTory vaccination in the UK would not be tolerated by the public and would not be promulgated by the Guvmin.

Austria, which sparked this branch of the conversation, has public acceptance of mandatory vaccination as in the cases of polio and smallpox.

but not in cases of covid.